Some Misunderstandings Related to WTC Collapse Analysis

[Tony Szamboti]

I am hardly mixing anything. The problems those advocating natural collapse scenarios for the North Tower have is that they cannot explain

- the rapid horizontal propagation
- the rapid acceleration through the first story
- why the columns were never involved in resisting the collapse.

Good. You're backpedaling into rhetoric instead of answering the direct forensic points. You also said the booms were heard by people inside the buildings, forgetting that those people were killed in the collapse. Don't worry Tony, you can enter virtually anything without explanation and not answer the qualifying necessary particulars and you'll still be backed by the unquestioning chanters. Anyone can read this thread to see the things you yourself can't explain. Trust me, the reason Chandler never showed the public the video of the dust bursts cascading down the South Tower is because it's obvious that they are from pneumatic air blasts caused by floor collapse.

The acceleration through the first storey was not so rapid as I already showed. Tony, you have an annoying habit of being shown a technical point, ignoring it, and then returning to your overly-general rhetorical points by just repeating them again. As I pointed-out you can see a delay between the South Tower's top section's impact and the second type of dust burst that occurs in direct relationship to that impact. There's your deceleration. What happened there was a slight 'jolt' where the top section's mass transitioned to natural ROOSD. Watch the video as I advised before. You can see the first floor of dust burst waterfall occurs in direct synchronization with that impact and slight delay. Chandler intoned that science is based on observation. Well, there's your observation. You refused to answer it - which is all anyone needs to know.

I have said there would have been charges on the corners of the perimeters and at certain places lower in the structure, in addition to the first ten stories, to ensure continued and complete collapse.

Safely where no one could ever refute them. Meanwhile when we challenged you on the alleged corner charges Chandler claimed in the North Tower you couldn't answer. He's claiming the corners were CD'ed. When I pointed-out those corners showed none of the necessary forensic signs of either explosives or thermite burning you couldn't answer. Great credibility there.

You have no argument to get the collapse started to begin with, you can't explain the lack of column involvement in resisting the collapse from the start, and your "we don't hear enough explosive noise" is quite flawed as I have shown.

You're ruminating. Sure, you've shown my sound pattern claims to be quite flawed. You mean like when you referred to the people in the building who heard the booms, forgetting the building then fell and killed them, meaning they couldn't be witnesses. I like the way you admitted that gaffe (as you have shown). You never did answer my proof that at least one witness heard the booms from outside the building. In fact, as I've shown, most of those witnesses would have had to have heard them from outside otherwise they wouldn't have survived to tell about them. So, seeing the correct interpretation you then failed to give any answer and returned by saying you've shown my argument to be "quite flawed". OK. And you said arguing with me was like arguing with a kid.

You're not being honest Mr Szamboti. If you were you would admit the booms were obviously loudly heard by people outside the building as you claimed in your video, therefore the complete lack of any booms on the numerous microphones around the building is not good for your claims. People can see you can't reconcile your own claim of loud booms with your claim of them being muffled in the roar. I'm enjoying your showing the flaws in my claims.



Watch the South Tower video and you'll see the eye doesn't lie and there's a slight delay between the impact of the top section and the first dust burst of the waterfall cascade of dust and materials. Seen at 4:38 - 5:13 - and 6:29 -



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhyu-fZ2nRA



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What an incredible post you have here. The two firefighters that are first in the video were in the building when they heard explosions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNLa93Q_rvM and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbFL5OzQn3o. They weren't all killed. Some people on the outside also heard things, but those inside are the ones that heard them prominently and made that clear.

Additionally, the vertical acceleration through the first story in the North Tower was 5.1 m/s^2. That is far too fast for fire weakened columns. The horizontal propagation was also extraordinarily fast, as it went from the southwest corner to the north east ( a distance of about 293 feet) in less than a second. That horizontal acceleration would have been about 300 feet/s^2 or 91 m/s^2.