22-08-2013, 01:29 AM
Thanks for joining me in this search for some truth....
There are MANY versions of the Zfilm timeline... Some overlap for sure, many ommissions, and some things unique to each offering.
What we know for sure is that whatever Dino and Arthur worked on Saturday night - their resulting presentation is gone to history and is not the same as the Homer/Ben boards in the archives.
But do we know that THIS was the actual original film... 0183... when late friday night SS Chief Rowley receives a copy of the film from Sorrels via Philips.
Which was this film?
Zapruder had the original and BEST COPY (#018?) which he subsequently gave to Stolley)
FBI had 0186 (whether 16mm or 8mm is not known for sure - Phil@Kodak says they used a projector that aollowed stop, slow, backward, etc... which to his recollection was only in 16mm format)
Sorrels has 0185 and 0187 - both of which no longer have that deisgnation on the entire length of the films available
Max Phillips sends "the third copy" to Rowley (#018?)
Note: Disregard personnel scenes
shown on Mr. Zapruder's film.. Mr. Zapruder
is in custody of the "master" film. Two prints
were given to SAIC Sorrels, this date.
The third print is forwarded.
As I have stated before... this APPEARS as if there is a 4th copy. And we have very little info on what becomes of these other two copies
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What we have TODAY is:
The "original" in the archives... only 6'3" of images, followed by 2'7" of BLACK film, a SPLICE and 19'3" of BLACK film. 0183 does not appear on any portion of this film yet appears as a copy thru on the SS versions.
Frank Sloan of Jamieson tells us that 0183 was at the END of the film being copied and was transferred onto these copies.
We will remain clear of the "1st day copies" since their chain of evidence is even more dubious and if we show how the "original" becomes the "altered master" the SS copies take care of themselves.
Zavada was charged to:
"Write a techincal report.... on the Zapruders films at the National Archives designated as "out-of-the-camera" original and the two first-generation SS copies...." (my emphasis)
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Background lesson over :-)
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WHEN was the processed camera original out of Zapruder's sight/hands so that a switch could be made?....
There are a number of breaks in the Chain of Possession as David Healy eluded to at the end of the Muchmore thread.
Phil tells us http://www.jfk-info.com/zat1-11.pdf that while the film was being processed - a 1 hr process - Zapruder was outside talking and walking around nervously...
He was NOT IN THE ROOM.
The statment Phil C and Dick B signed can be found at this post with an explanation about how it simply does not says what might have thought it said
https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/sho...#post75076
It does not say duplicates were not made AT KODAK... and it contradicts the intent that only those who handled the film in the ordinary course of their job saw the film...
Approximately 11 other "staff members" were included in the Inspection Screening... according to Phil C.
This film, shown only once at 4 times normal speed (64-72fps) would fly by at break-neck speed and still be unstabilized so very jumpy... (the stabilized version we see is at a slower frame rate than 18.3... so it minimizes these jumps... if you watch the film at 18.3 the jumps forward in the film (not Zapruder's jumps) during the shooting sequences are very pronounced.)
There are many out there who have done amazing work contacting primary sources...
Other than Blair, Chamberlain, & Zapruder (no mention of Schwartz) there are approximately 8-12 more people who saw that film at that time.
Any help?
We have now gotten from 12:30pm to 4pm and have learned that Zapruder could not have know what occurred in the processing room and when he returns later the very next film index number, 0184 was skipped.
0185 and 0187 do not appear on either of these films while 0186 does.
Phil tells us that only 2 rolls were given to Zapruder yet defers to Dick Blair who supposedly went to get the film himself.... AND signs the statements.
This is where the timelines get muddy.... Phil states that Zapruder is back around 5pm with the TWO rolls of film. By 6pm they are watching what is described as "soft, or fuzzy, compared to the original, but really of good quality considering the circumstances"
?? huh ?? the "circumstances" ? Will need to dig further here since a first generation copy of the original SHOULD be a pretty amazing copy... maybe to this expert the copy was obviously degraded... Phil describes the headshot again and Jackie on the trunk -
So now we have gotten from 4pm to 6pm with anywhere from 3 to 5 films in existence... an original and 2-4 copies. 0184 is still not accounted for.
To the very end of his statement Phil Chamberlain Jr believes there were only TWO copies on IIA film and they were complete...
One would think, for posterity, someone would have taken a photo of Zapruder and his copies.... y'know a group hug kinda thing at Kodak... but no such luck.
While there are signed statements to the effect that only 1083,5,6,7 are printed and slit....
We also have TWO signed statements that the rifle was a 7.65 Mauser.
There are a number of times just between 12:30 and 6pm on the 22nd to have created a useable "master" copy of the in-camera film
We'll look at 6pm until 9am next
DJ
There are MANY versions of the Zfilm timeline... Some overlap for sure, many ommissions, and some things unique to each offering.
What we know for sure is that whatever Dino and Arthur worked on Saturday night - their resulting presentation is gone to history and is not the same as the Homer/Ben boards in the archives.
But do we know that THIS was the actual original film... 0183... when late friday night SS Chief Rowley receives a copy of the film from Sorrels via Philips.
Which was this film?
Zapruder had the original and BEST COPY (#018?) which he subsequently gave to Stolley)
FBI had 0186 (whether 16mm or 8mm is not known for sure - Phil@Kodak says they used a projector that aollowed stop, slow, backward, etc... which to his recollection was only in 16mm format)
Sorrels has 0185 and 0187 - both of which no longer have that deisgnation on the entire length of the films available
Max Phillips sends "the third copy" to Rowley (#018?)
Note: Disregard personnel scenes
shown on Mr. Zapruder's film.. Mr. Zapruder
is in custody of the "master" film. Two prints
were given to SAIC Sorrels, this date.
The third print is forwarded.
As I have stated before... this APPEARS as if there is a 4th copy. And we have very little info on what becomes of these other two copies
=====
What we have TODAY is:
The "original" in the archives... only 6'3" of images, followed by 2'7" of BLACK film, a SPLICE and 19'3" of BLACK film. 0183 does not appear on any portion of this film yet appears as a copy thru on the SS versions.
Frank Sloan of Jamieson tells us that 0183 was at the END of the film being copied and was transferred onto these copies.
We will remain clear of the "1st day copies" since their chain of evidence is even more dubious and if we show how the "original" becomes the "altered master" the SS copies take care of themselves.
Zavada was charged to:
"Write a techincal report.... on the Zapruders films at the National Archives designated as "out-of-the-camera" original and the two first-generation SS copies...." (my emphasis)
===
Background lesson over :-)
===
WHEN was the processed camera original out of Zapruder's sight/hands so that a switch could be made?....
There are a number of breaks in the Chain of Possession as David Healy eluded to at the end of the Muchmore thread.
Phil tells us http://www.jfk-info.com/zat1-11.pdf that while the film was being processed - a 1 hr process - Zapruder was outside talking and walking around nervously...
He was NOT IN THE ROOM.
The statment Phil C and Dick B signed can be found at this post with an explanation about how it simply does not says what might have thought it said
https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/sho...#post75076
It does not say duplicates were not made AT KODAK... and it contradicts the intent that only those who handled the film in the ordinary course of their job saw the film...
Approximately 11 other "staff members" were included in the Inspection Screening... according to Phil C.
This film, shown only once at 4 times normal speed (64-72fps) would fly by at break-neck speed and still be unstabilized so very jumpy... (the stabilized version we see is at a slower frame rate than 18.3... so it minimizes these jumps... if you watch the film at 18.3 the jumps forward in the film (not Zapruder's jumps) during the shooting sequences are very pronounced.)
There are many out there who have done amazing work contacting primary sources...
Other than Blair, Chamberlain, & Zapruder (no mention of Schwartz) there are approximately 8-12 more people who saw that film at that time.
Any help?
We have now gotten from 12:30pm to 4pm and have learned that Zapruder could not have know what occurred in the processing room and when he returns later the very next film index number, 0184 was skipped.
0185 and 0187 do not appear on either of these films while 0186 does.
Phil tells us that only 2 rolls were given to Zapruder yet defers to Dick Blair who supposedly went to get the film himself.... AND signs the statements.
This is where the timelines get muddy.... Phil states that Zapruder is back around 5pm with the TWO rolls of film. By 6pm they are watching what is described as "soft, or fuzzy, compared to the original, but really of good quality considering the circumstances"
?? huh ?? the "circumstances" ? Will need to dig further here since a first generation copy of the original SHOULD be a pretty amazing copy... maybe to this expert the copy was obviously degraded... Phil describes the headshot again and Jackie on the trunk -
So now we have gotten from 4pm to 6pm with anywhere from 3 to 5 films in existence... an original and 2-4 copies. 0184 is still not accounted for.
To the very end of his statement Phil Chamberlain Jr believes there were only TWO copies on IIA film and they were complete...
One would think, for posterity, someone would have taken a photo of Zapruder and his copies.... y'know a group hug kinda thing at Kodak... but no such luck.
While there are signed statements to the effect that only 1083,5,6,7 are printed and slit....
We also have TWO signed statements that the rifle was a 7.65 Mauser.
There are a number of times just between 12:30 and 6pm on the 22nd to have created a useable "master" copy of the in-camera film
We'll look at 6pm until 9am next
DJ
Once in a while you get shown the light
in the strangest of places if you look at it right..... R. Hunter
in the strangest of places if you look at it right..... R. Hunter