24-08-2013, 03:06 AM
Jeffrey Orling Wrote:Tony Szamboti Wrote:\
Just so others know, I explained this in detail to Jeffrey in an e-mail exchange a couple of years ago when he sent me his cartoons. He apparently doesn't understand or doesn't want to change what he has and is still trying to sell.
No Tony you simply said I was wrong and it was a several months ago less than a year. Do I have to post the email. Stop lying and who cares what the "others" think... I know what you said and I don't want to stop to that level. Go find another engineer aside from your partner to say that the hat trusses couldn't transfer loads to the facade from the core.
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Jeffrey,
There is no way an entire 36 foot length could fail at one time with beams framing into the columns at every story. There was very little damage to the 97th floor core columns also and little to the core overall in WTC 1.
The failure was not over three stories it was at the 98th floor and went across the building on that floor in a 250 millisecond time frame. In my opinion, it would be nothing short of magic if this was a natural event.
The hat truss was not capable of transferring the core loads to the perimeter as it was not three stories deep over to the perimeter, as I thought you were saying earlier, which it would have to be to transfer those kinds of loads. The outriggers were simply A-frames beyond the core.
I can certainly prove that the A-frame outriggers could not have transferred a 12 story core gravity load to the perimeter columns.
Tony
I showed you quite a while ago, in a numerical way, just why the outriggers could not have transferred the core load to the perimeter. I do mention that I had done just that in this e-mail from Feb. 3, 2013 to you.
Jeffrey,
I had gotten what you were saying and understood it to be exactly what you depict in the cartoon.
Unfortunately, it could not have happened that way as the hat truss was incapable of transmitting the core's gravity load to the perimeter. I showed you why this was true with real numbers. The moment on the outriggers would have been enormous and broken their connections to the perimeter immediately.
Without even having seen any calculations you should think about what you are saying here. You are trying to say the four outrigger connections per wall could have successfully transmitted a load that then buckled 59 perimeter columns. It is a non-starter.
Tony
I can't find the actual numerical proof I gave you then, as it may have been on a forum and not in an e-mail. However, regardless of that, I showed you again right on this Forum here tonight. You need to stop saying the core load was transferred to the perimeter, as it could not have been. The only thing the core did to the perimeter was pull it inward lower down at the 98th floor, where the collapse initiated.