Mauser......Mannlicher

[Charles Drago]

Thanks, Charles, I missed both of your responses because they were delayed, and I don't think to go back and look at older pages in the thread.

I respect your analysis, even though I disagree with it. I think it would make a fine film noir, or a great novel like Libra. But I've studied a lot of historical plots (the Hitler bomb plot in 1944, the Benigno Aquino assassination, the Archduke in 1914 and others), and in real life they are messy, haphazard things. Stuff goes wrong, there are unforeseen complications and unexpected changes of plan. Attempted cover-ups sometimes fail (Aquino's killing was like RFK's, but too many people in the Filipino government wouldn't cooperate in hiding the truth). They are, after all, run by human beings, not movie supervillains, so they are not infallible and have no magical abilities.

The more complicated a plot becomes, the more likely someone will screw it up. A lot of things went wrong with the JFK assassination (Oswald being captured alive, Kennedy not being killed by one bullet fired from the rear, etc.)

Maybe it's just because of my own experiences, all the companies I've worked at where I see just how dysfunctional and badly-run organizations are. The people at the top have more money and power, but they still aren't any smarter than the rest of us. Just more ruthless.

We'll happily agree to disagree. And by the way, you're not the first person to suggest to me that I may be giving too much credit to the Facilitators.

Vis a vis your comment regarding "dysfunctional and badly-run organizations," I would note only that the Facilitators who conceived and were responsible for "running the plot" were not exactly average rank-and-file types of guys and gals. They were the best in the world at what they did.

So perhaps we're both right. Perhaps Abraham Zapruder was the classic lemon from which some among the highest level of Facilitators decided to make lemonade.

Or ... Wittingly or otherwise, he was positioned on the pedestal to make certain that a pre-determined film doppelganger gambit could be pulled off.

I have to side with Charles here....but it depends on how one defines 'mistakes', 'errors', ''leaks', et al. I think to the student of 11/22/63 one can clearly see some plans that went awry and how they were replaced with plan/cover-up B and even C and D....etc. But, if one looks at the fact that JFK was murdered instantly [along with the American Polity] and the Truth has basically been covered-up to this very day; the evidence made to disappear, altered or denied to us to be seen; that no REAL investigation has been permitted to proceed and when they do many witnesses are either not called, have their testimony changed, or are murdered just prior or just after. Further, the Coup d'etat that was an integral part of Dallas is, IMFO, STILL in full effect - I'd call that a success, despite the 'flubs' here and there.....along the way. When we have reversed and overthrown the Coup; exposed the full nature of the Conspiracy and who backed it/gave it the 'nod' [not who pulled triggers and did the chump chores - even the planning and the still ongoing cover-up]; then come talk to me about how they 'messed so much up' - 'as happens in all big conspiracies' [or so they'd like us to believe]....... Its the end goal that counts - and so far they've won on that, hands down....or the Truth would be out...America would not be the America of today...and we might actually have a democracy...not a hairs breath from a totalitarian permanent warfare omniscient cyberspy neo-fascist police state! Sadly, on the 50th the voice of Truth of the events of 11/22/63 will be very little heard - but there will be a ROAR and celebration of the heirs to the Coup and their sycophants, agents, and minions....confusing the Average Person.

Beautiful, Peter.