04-09-2013, 11:10 PM
Okay.
First things first: When we reach the point that mine is among the voices of reason when it comes to hostile penetrations of Internet forums ... well, let's just say that that ain't a very happy place.
Steve Minnerly: I haven't the slightest reason to suspect you of being among the agents provocateur who have attempted to disrupt DPF over the years. Some have been discovered and dispatched. Others remain invisible under deep cover. And a few whose hostile missions are obvious to a minority of DPF ownership retain their posting privileges here. For now.
You have a great deal to learn about deep politics and deep political analysis. But I suspect that you've come here to learn, and your struggles to do so remind me of my own nascent, clumsy explorations of the killing fields and how a brilliant, gentle, almost absurdly patient master farmer found a way to teach me almost everything I know about planting and harvesting and bringing to market our humble crops.
Jan is correct to note that any mention, positive or otherwise, of John Simkin and the Swamp -- a/k/a the "Education" Forum -- will provoke outrage among those of us who were wronged by the Sunsteinian manipulators of that site. A lot of the antipathy currently being directed at you has its origins in this terrible history.
R. K. Locke: You offer wisdom, and your words are worth repeating:
My advice to the newcomer would be:
Learn as quickly as possible how to distinguish disinformation from useful data (i.e. turn your bullshit detector up to 10.)
Apply simple logic to all claims. (This will take you a long way; though perhaps not all the way.)
Make use of the Sponsor-Facilitator-Mechanic model.
Choose your words carefully.
Read and cross-reference.
Absorb the hard-earned wisdom and insights of those that have come before us.
Never stop learning.
Steve Minnerly: The bottom line -- at least for me: Good and decent people have been at war with the killers of JFK for nearly 50 years. We have learned so much about how the world really works. We have discovered and shared many truths. The war continues.
But we have not come close to defining, let alone bringing about justice for JFK and for those collaterally damaged when the conspirators struck. The Sponsors of the assassination yet escape justice, and as the bells mournfully toll on November 22, 2013, they will raise their glasses in the comfort engendered by the certain knowledge that the bells toll not for them.
Under these circumstances, I trust that you will forgive us our rage and suspicions.
Stay. Learn.
First things first: When we reach the point that mine is among the voices of reason when it comes to hostile penetrations of Internet forums ... well, let's just say that that ain't a very happy place.
Steve Minnerly: I haven't the slightest reason to suspect you of being among the agents provocateur who have attempted to disrupt DPF over the years. Some have been discovered and dispatched. Others remain invisible under deep cover. And a few whose hostile missions are obvious to a minority of DPF ownership retain their posting privileges here. For now.
You have a great deal to learn about deep politics and deep political analysis. But I suspect that you've come here to learn, and your struggles to do so remind me of my own nascent, clumsy explorations of the killing fields and how a brilliant, gentle, almost absurdly patient master farmer found a way to teach me almost everything I know about planting and harvesting and bringing to market our humble crops.
Jan is correct to note that any mention, positive or otherwise, of John Simkin and the Swamp -- a/k/a the "Education" Forum -- will provoke outrage among those of us who were wronged by the Sunsteinian manipulators of that site. A lot of the antipathy currently being directed at you has its origins in this terrible history.
R. K. Locke: You offer wisdom, and your words are worth repeating:
My advice to the newcomer would be:
Learn as quickly as possible how to distinguish disinformation from useful data (i.e. turn your bullshit detector up to 10.)
Apply simple logic to all claims. (This will take you a long way; though perhaps not all the way.)
Make use of the Sponsor-Facilitator-Mechanic model.
Choose your words carefully.
Read and cross-reference.
Absorb the hard-earned wisdom and insights of those that have come before us.
Never stop learning.
Steve Minnerly: The bottom line -- at least for me: Good and decent people have been at war with the killers of JFK for nearly 50 years. We have learned so much about how the world really works. We have discovered and shared many truths. The war continues.
But we have not come close to defining, let alone bringing about justice for JFK and for those collaterally damaged when the conspirators struck. The Sponsors of the assassination yet escape justice, and as the bells mournfully toll on November 22, 2013, they will raise their glasses in the comfort engendered by the certain knowledge that the bells toll not for them.
Under these circumstances, I trust that you will forgive us our rage and suspicions.
Stay. Learn.
Charles Drago
Co-Founder, Deep Politics Forum
If an individual, through either his own volition or events over which he had no control, found himself taking up residence in a country undefined by flags or physical borders, he could be assured of one immediate and abiding consequence: He was on his own, and solitude and loneliness would probably be his companions unto the grave.
-- James Lee Burke, Rain Gods
You can't blame the innocent, they are always guiltless. All you can do is control them or eliminate them. Innocence is a kind of insanity.
-- Graham Greene
Co-Founder, Deep Politics Forum
If an individual, through either his own volition or events over which he had no control, found himself taking up residence in a country undefined by flags or physical borders, he could be assured of one immediate and abiding consequence: He was on his own, and solitude and loneliness would probably be his companions unto the grave.
-- James Lee Burke, Rain Gods
You can't blame the innocent, they are always guiltless. All you can do is control them or eliminate them. Innocence is a kind of insanity.
-- Graham Greene