02-10-2013, 03:56 PM
The recent Nairobi attacks appear to have involved the *import* of *terrorist/fighters* to the mall to do the *operation* if this information is to be believed. Of course I can't verify that these reports are factual. But if true, these so called terrorist leaders recruited from Michigan (IIRC) to Kenya to engage in what would likely result in the fighter's death. I suppose soldiers and fighters accept this possibility when they sign on. Apparently some are prepared to die as were the kamikaze pilots and the bomb vest wearing Palestinians. Apparently being prepared to die for your cause is not that uncommon.
I suppose what I am suggesting is that terrorism and many of the actions we have seen over the years were genuine insurgencies... and tactics of asymmetrical warfare which is the only type of warfare the disenfranchised can wage. Of course they do attempt justice through the usual *diplomatic* channels using their supporters to advocate on their behalf... in actions such as UN resolutions to Rachel Cory to the Marmara.
Peter and others seem to dismiss terrorism as being *real* and being a tactic in play. And they definitely seem to question the scale of some attacks as being the handiwork of these rag tag terrorist groups. So was the Beruit barracks bombing a false flag or a real *terrorist* attack on US assets? Khobar towers? The Nairobi Embassy? The USS Cole? How about the disco bombings? The Achille Lauro? And the numerous plane hijackings? Was Lockerbee a flase flag or could it have been a terrorist operation?
I don't dismiss the concept of false flag ops and believe they have taken place. I do not justify or excuse ANY of the US gov's aggressive imperialists actions (atrocities) since WWII including the insane dropping or 2 nukes in Japan, bombing in the Balkans and all manner of proxy wars and CIA black ops. I do believe the Sandinistas WERE a real insurgencies against the ring wing Anastasio Somoza. And yes the Contras were a right wing insurgency funded by the CIA to topple the left wing Ortega government.
Terrorism is the blow back to empire. Why should this size of nature of the action be limited to guys running around in the jungle fighting in south Asia type actions? The so called brains behind radical Islam, if we are to believe what is out there... were intelligent, educated in the west and familiar with the west, and connected to a network of financial support. Was Zawahiri smart enough to engineer a big operation? Could he get the funding needed? Could be get the recruits? I think the answer is... why not? But this is simply based on information I get from the www. OBL apparently was an intelligent charismatic wealthy heir to a construction industry fortune from the US poodle Saudi Arabia. He claims to be pissed off that the US has polluted the Arab lands and props up the apartheid Israel and decided to fight against it. Didn't Che do much the same thing coming from a privileged background?
It may enable the US MIC to have terrorism as an enemy and an excuse for their aggression. But the US empire's actions will inevitably create this sort of enemy as all empires do. That's a reliable as the sun rising in the East. And does the police engage in entrapment and stings? You betcha. Why would the CIA and MIC do the same? But doing this does not mean all crime and all terrorists actions are the creation of insiders as false flags. To assert that ALL *terrorism* is deep state tactic is naive or blind to reality.
And that's how I see it and I don't represent anyone or any ideology other than my own.
The people in power with the ability to weave a self serving narrative will do it every time... and this goes back way beyond WWII. It's what those in power do to control. S P I N... deceive and lie. They concoct insane narratives like... fighting to protect our way of life or they hate us for our freedom justification for their own war atrocities and sadism. They always do. Few will justify sadism and violence for its own sake... an excuse is always created.
I suppose what I am suggesting is that terrorism and many of the actions we have seen over the years were genuine insurgencies... and tactics of asymmetrical warfare which is the only type of warfare the disenfranchised can wage. Of course they do attempt justice through the usual *diplomatic* channels using their supporters to advocate on their behalf... in actions such as UN resolutions to Rachel Cory to the Marmara.
Peter and others seem to dismiss terrorism as being *real* and being a tactic in play. And they definitely seem to question the scale of some attacks as being the handiwork of these rag tag terrorist groups. So was the Beruit barracks bombing a false flag or a real *terrorist* attack on US assets? Khobar towers? The Nairobi Embassy? The USS Cole? How about the disco bombings? The Achille Lauro? And the numerous plane hijackings? Was Lockerbee a flase flag or could it have been a terrorist operation?
I don't dismiss the concept of false flag ops and believe they have taken place. I do not justify or excuse ANY of the US gov's aggressive imperialists actions (atrocities) since WWII including the insane dropping or 2 nukes in Japan, bombing in the Balkans and all manner of proxy wars and CIA black ops. I do believe the Sandinistas WERE a real insurgencies against the ring wing Anastasio Somoza. And yes the Contras were a right wing insurgency funded by the CIA to topple the left wing Ortega government.
Terrorism is the blow back to empire. Why should this size of nature of the action be limited to guys running around in the jungle fighting in south Asia type actions? The so called brains behind radical Islam, if we are to believe what is out there... were intelligent, educated in the west and familiar with the west, and connected to a network of financial support. Was Zawahiri smart enough to engineer a big operation? Could he get the funding needed? Could be get the recruits? I think the answer is... why not? But this is simply based on information I get from the www. OBL apparently was an intelligent charismatic wealthy heir to a construction industry fortune from the US poodle Saudi Arabia. He claims to be pissed off that the US has polluted the Arab lands and props up the apartheid Israel and decided to fight against it. Didn't Che do much the same thing coming from a privileged background?
It may enable the US MIC to have terrorism as an enemy and an excuse for their aggression. But the US empire's actions will inevitably create this sort of enemy as all empires do. That's a reliable as the sun rising in the East. And does the police engage in entrapment and stings? You betcha. Why would the CIA and MIC do the same? But doing this does not mean all crime and all terrorists actions are the creation of insiders as false flags. To assert that ALL *terrorism* is deep state tactic is naive or blind to reality.
And that's how I see it and I don't represent anyone or any ideology other than my own.
The people in power with the ability to weave a self serving narrative will do it every time... and this goes back way beyond WWII. It's what those in power do to control. S P I N... deceive and lie. They concoct insane narratives like... fighting to protect our way of life or they hate us for our freedom justification for their own war atrocities and sadism. They always do. Few will justify sadism and violence for its own sake... an excuse is always created.