24-10-2013, 05:05 PM
Marlene Zenker Wrote:Marlene Zenker Wrote:What did Owsald think he was doing on and around Nov. 22, what do you think he thought was his role at the TSBD, etc.?
Do you think he was the Lee who tipped off the Chicago Plot?
When he was asked about leaving the TSBD in a car why do you think he
1. First said he took a bus and a cab?
2. Then when asked about leaving the TSBD in a car per Roger Craig - why did he say "... not to drag Mrs. Paine into this"?
- Did he have no clue about her or was he protecting her CIA cover?
Tracy, I would like to hear your thoughts regardless of whether they all fit. Here's mine re: LHO leaving the TSBD.
I think there were 2 Oswalds at the TSBD. I think Harvey took the bus/cab and Lee took the Rambler.
Why? re: the bus/cab.
Though many researchers think the bus/cab did not happen, if there were 2 LHO's and both knew in advance what was going to happen that day (or that something was going to happen) then Harvey goes back to his rooming house to get his gun and goes to the theater for a pre-planned meeting. It doesn't matter if he was in on the assassination or trying to prevent it or there for another reason, he knows he is in danger and needs to get to the theater quickly.
Lee makes his exit/escape through an obviously pre-planned pickup by Ruth Paine. She takes him to Oak Cliff and drops him off. He kills Tippit for whatever reason and gets away.
Harvey tells the truth to the police about how he got home but when they bring up the "car" which perhaps was his planned route as well he protects Paine as he knows his double was picked up by her.
The conspirators could have easily known that McWatters was the bus driver but could they have known that Whaley would be the cab driver? I guess it's possible but unlikely especially because Harvey was willing to give up that cab to the woman. So the route was probably take the bus to Oak Cliff, Tippit meets the bus etc..
Harvey never actually admits to getting into the Rambler - just that he knows who the car belongs to.
Can anyone account for Ruth Paine's whereabouts, other than Marina Oswald, between say 12 Noon and when the police arrive at her house in Irving? Of course the driver of Paine's car didn't have to be Ruth.
Just some rambling thoughts...
A couple of more things re:TSBD 11.22.63
For the sake of argument there are 2 LHO's and they are both in the TSBD - if Harvey is a good guy and he is supposed to prevent the assassination what is he doing to that end? Whether he is Prayer Man, or in the lunchroom, or on the 3rd or 4th floor, what is he doing? Even if he was on the 6th floor he didn't stop Lee. He has to be involved in some way. He leaves the TSBD very quickly where the tendency of most people would be to stay, talk to fellow witnesses, common curiosity etc.. Instead, he leaves, tells the police that he didn't think there would be anymore work that day and didn't see any reason to stay around.
If he knew he had a double, which would seem logical based on his statements about taking the bus but also knowing about the Rambler, what did he think his purpose was? Wouldn't he have figured out that if one of the assassins was his double that he was in deep trouble? Wouldn't he have left the TSBD before the motorcade even got there? Or did he not know that his double was there? Or of course there was no double.
I know you all have been thinking about this forever but I would really like to hash this out.