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[David Josephs]

Martin,

I mean no offense, either, but we are odds here, as we were quite a few times at the EF. You and Lee Farley very correctly took David Lifton to task for his blind reliance on government sources, yet you're doing the same thing here. We're on the same side, ultimately, but I think you're misguided to be so certain that Pitzer committed suicide. Maybe he did, but I think there's a strong case he was murdered, especially when you factor in all the others connected to this case who were.

But you're right, this thread was started to promote your blog, and I apologize for participating in sidetracking it.

Don,

I don't remember us being at odds much. Perhaps I just said a lot of things that annoyed you and you kept it to yourself

In any case, just to be clear, my thoughts on the Pitzer case are in no way reliant on government sources - unless you somehow consider Cyril Wecht and Herbert MacDonnell to be government sources.

Perhaps it would be useful if somebody started a thread on the Pitzer case and listed all the evidence that supports the idea that he was murdered. Maybe I'll learn something.

A number of good threads have been done on Pitzer...

Martin calls for ANY EVIDENCE of murder... (and another thread - you decide if we really need one)

Step one of this evidence is whether the autopsy reveals the telltale signs of suicide... close contact marks on the skin at the entry point and powder burns on the hand which fired the pistol...
- according to the tests done, neither is true... while reports from that night claim that there WERE powder burns, there is not evidence of such.

Step two of this evidence is to corroborate that Pitzer did indeed film the autopsy room PRIOR to 8pm
- Could that be Urban legend? Fromwhat I read Pitzer was getting ready to embark on a private career and gave no indication of suicidal tendencies.
Do we have a photo of the the RR Yard shot? do we KNOW there was one based on the result of said shot?

Dr. George Bakeman, USN is listed as having attended the autopsy - yet this person was never found and there is no information as to who he was.. Could this have been Pitzer whose name is not listed... who in turn WAS there, did take photos and film and yet was erased from the day? Speculation at best... but a thought.

Martin... we have Benavidas' brother being shot, thinking it was him, cause he SAW someone yet could not be identified as our OSWALD
In this case we have a man KNOWN to have CCTV in the morgue, who shows the results to his friend DD who in turn describes the pre-altered wounds exactly.

Why DD has not been removed from the equation has always puzzled me... he is one of the few two casket entry witnesses left...
If you are going to say Pitzer was Suicide, in the face of evidence against such a conclusion if reviewed in the REAL world of cause and effect,
I think you must also be calling DD a liar about where Pitzer was that night...

Can you point to any questions asked of any of the Bethesda witnesses about whether Pitzer WAS there...
in all my reading I cannot remember anyone being asked about Pitzer

You?

DJ




From the work Allen E did and posted:
The autopsy doctors prepared paraffin casts of the palm and back of the deceased right hand. The
FBI laboratory technician collected samples from the surfaces of the paraffin casts, concentrating
on dark particles 14 from the back of the hand and dark particles 58 from the palm, none of
which tested positively for barium or antimony.
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[/SIZE]The technician summarized her/his findings as, "Examination of (the) paraffin cast(s) reflected no
substance characteristic of, or which could be associated with, gunpowder or gunshot residue."
However, the back of the right hand had "large amounts of blood, skin and hair."

Repeatedly in the interviews with the autopsy doctors, there is an argument as to whether the pistol's muzzle was in contact with the skin...
While the initial examination mentions powder burns at the site of the wound...

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Finally - since DD was not in the autopsy room... any idea why he would make this part up about Pitzer?
Or how he would know about the exact location of the wounds? Does thisnot suggest that Pitzer did indeed film what happened between 6:45 and 7:45?



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