Detailed discussion and analysis of the H&L evidence

[David Josephs]

That dig wasn't at you, it was more about the subjectivity of moderation. So it was poorly placed.

I've put time in to the Assassination - thousands and thousands of pages. But 'Harvey and Lee' and 'Bloody Treason' have both eluded me. Consequently, I maintain no position on their conclusions. I just found Parker's posts interesting and always found him on the level.

Understood... I didn't take it as a dig at me, just wanted to mention why he may have been banned... I've discussed the case with GP over many years Mitchell.. From my experience that which he uses as evidence to bedunk is never very strong or even appropriate to the discussion. In most every case the subject matter of his arguments are laced with speculation and his own theiories about other people and what COULD be possible...

As we've come to learn, anyone can argue the "against" side of the discussion... Evidence could be created/altered, memories fade, tonsils grow back, scars fade...

What can't be argued against is the totality of the evidence and the strangeness of the FBI's concern over the time periods in Oswald's life having no bearing at all on the case at hand.

Do a quick search on James Earl Ray or Sirhan Sirhan and see how much time and effort the FBI put to creating their life's narrative... I did and only found fleeting mentions of James dropping out of high school... not the year by year, grade by grade minutia we find in the JFK investigation.

What people like GP fail to grasp is the YEARS of work interviewing those who the FBI hide away to get at the heart and truth of the matter.

One can always claim Dennis David or Paul O'Connor are lying... if they stood alone on an island... but once you expand the view and see how corroborated their accounts are... and then look at the scores of people who knew LEE and claim the HARVEY, the man Ruby shot, was NOT him... and then you check the records and find copies of copies which do not work together, or finally find original Unit Diaries which contradict the "agreed upon" timelines while corroborating stories like Felde's or Donavan's or Powers'... one ought to take a minute from talking tonsils and do the research.

GP did not, does not do that... go over to his forum Mitchell... just read the :..ing that passes for posts and the vile attacks on this forum and its members who disagree with GP and his approach... or Hasan's blog... angry little men with nothing to do but to lash out in their little corner of the internet... and offer nothing to forward our knowledge of anything.

Talking about inches, or unsigned undocumented FBI reports reeks of cointelpro tactics for derailing productive conversation. I expected more from GP than voodoo tonsils and obscure theories based on a single sentence he picked out of a review somewhere - would it be fair to talk theological inconsistencies with a priest if you have never bothered to read the bible? ... just cause you kinda know what the story is...?

IDK what GP's point or direction was... if purely to debunk H&L he comes woefully unprepared... if only to attack Armstrong and the H&L evidence, I find his attacks hollow and inadequate for the task.... He wants to know where I get my copies of documents... he remained so unaware of 99% of the evdience yet can take to his soapbox and berate others for having done their homework and challenge his POV...

Mitchell - I appreciate those who admit they are not prepared to have these conversations... Or just as prepared to take what we post and question it realistically...

I am not a cult member here (as GP has accused me of) I took the time to determine what the evidence - not Armstrong - says... and it points to two different people from both a forward moving timeline as well as a backward looking one where the FBI created/altered/destroyed the documents needed to support/uncover the charade.


John and I are discussing the 5 most important and most unassailable facts to try and help me create a post that makes the evidence mroe "real"...

The Stripling/Kudlaty situation and 2220 Thomas Place is hard to argue against...
The different platoons and timing of the Marine records vs those that spent time with Lee or Harvey is also supported by a massive number of docs
The movements in and out of Russia and the "coincidences" of Marina's clouded history and Webster's involvement couplded with Goodpasture's actions

So please stay tuned and question everything... it is my pleasure to REMOVE FROM THE TABLE speculation in place of evidence... or remove the speculation. One has to expect some theorizing from an author who chose thousands of pages of evidence NOT to include due to it's inability to be corroborated.

If you have not, I suggest you visit this site and simply take in the enormity of the project John embarked upon and resulted in. There are tens of thousands of pages on every subject under the sun, with copies of documents directly from the archives... not MFF 20th generation donations. He saw with his own eyes how the FBI offered evidence was left terribly incomplete or damaged or missing... only to be told it was never there to begin with (ie the microfilm from Kleins from where the Hidell order was "printed" was sent to the Archives - and subsequesntly has disappeared... no way now to know what was on the original orders)

On the other hand, if you are not that interested - and not many are - don't bother.... but unlike GP you do not seem to be attacking those who have done the work and do have the answers. You are not claiming things "just couldn't be" based on your own feelings on the subject while offering nothing in the way of evidence... and yet, when he finally did offer evidence, he berates others for seeing a certain number on a form while he is so blinded by his anger toward this subject he has to fein blindness and stupidity to get his point across.

I really do appreciate you taking an active part in this Mitchell... H&L remains so far over most people's heads and so difficult to approach that all we ever really get are the GP's making false arguments.

QUESTION AWAY everyone.... pick it apart and show us the inconsistencies... but at least familiarize yourself with the info first... no?

http://digitalcollections.baylor.edu/cdm...ion/po-arm