Discrediting Secret Service complicity in the elimination of JFK…

[Charles Drago]

[quote=Mark Stapleton]How could Greer have shot JFK without Nellie Connally or Jackie seeing it?

The first shot would naturally have come as a complete surprise, as none of the occupants would have had the slightest inkling of the SS detail's intentions. Thereafter, I have no doubt the two wives understood perfectly well what had happened.

Your absence of doubt has zero probative value. What you've shown us so far would make a nice treatment for a novel. But you may be a few decades too late: Charles McCarry's The Tears of Autumn offers more "evidence" for a Ngo-family sponsored retaliatory hit than you provide for the Greer fiction. What else you got?

Do we know what was said in private at Parkland, or on the plane back to Washington? No. Do we have an unexpurgated transcript of Jackie's actual testimony to the WC*? No.

So it follows that they must have discussed Greer's act both privately and for the record? Whatever you're smoking, I'll take a carton.

In a footnote to chapter 3, Execution, of Murder From Within (Probe, 1974), Newcomb and Adams write as follows:

Mrs. Kennedy unsuccessfully tested David F. Powers on this area. Powers was in the follow-up car immediately behind the limousine. Apparently he failed to see the driver. “On the Thanksgiving weekend after the President’s funeral, when Dave was visiting Jackie and her children at Hyannis Port, he showed her the color pictures of herself on the back of the car taken at the scene by Abraham Zapruder’s movie camera and published in that week’s Life…’Dave, what do you think I was trying to do?’ she asked. Dave could only suggest that maybe she was searching for the President’s doctor…” (Kenneth P. O’Donnell and Dave F. Powers with Joe McCarthy, Johnny, We Hardly Knew Ye, p. 29.)

In her brief testimony before the Warren Commission (about ten minutes), she said she didn’t “…recall climbing out on the back of the car.” (v. 5, p. 181.) In this way, she avoided answering the obvious question of why she did climb out on the trunk.

On the day Mrs. Kennedy testified, June 5, 1964, leaks from the Warren Commission to the press were sufficient to indicate that the investigation was complete. She told the Commission, “…I read the other day that it was the same shot that hit them both.” (v. 5, p. 180). As with most important witnesses, she had read about the “lone assassin” as the official version. In effect, this curtailed spontaneous testimony.

The Warren Commission deleted her reference to wounds (v. 5, p. 180). The General Counsel for the Commission, in a letter of Dec. 10, 1964, explained the removal “…as a matter of good taste and because it could contribute nothing to the inquiry.”

Again none of this -- none of it -- supports any particular conclusion regarding the origin(s) of the shot(s). All we can say for certain is that the WC was bending over backwards to obscure those origins. What else you got?

During a Commission meeting of Dec. 16, 1963, Commissioner John McCloy suggested that the Commission ought to question Mrs. Kennedy before her memory faded. He said, “She’s got it very definitely in mind now, and I’m told she’s physically in a position where she can do it, but I don’t have that at first hand. She may not be the chief witness as to who did the job. She’s the chief witness as to how those bullets hit her husband.” Chief Justice Warren replied, “I wonder if the report we get from the Secret Service wouldn’t pretty much clear that up. If it doesn’t, Good Lord, what can they report to us on, that will help us. They were there, right at the car, and know exactly what happened.” (Document Addendum, op. cit., p. 55.) As Epstein noted, “On June 5 Mrs. John F. Kennedy testified before the Chief Justice at home. She was the last witness to testify on the assassination itself.” (Inquest, p. 25.)

As above.

Around January 1965, Mrs. Kennedy told Mary Gallagher to “be careful” about transportation in cars. She said, “You should get yourselves a good driver so that nothing ever happens to you.” (Mary B. Gallagher, My Life with Jacqueline Kennedy, p. 351.) A caption in Ms. Gallagher’s book of group photograph at the White House mess refers to “…Roy H. Killerman [sic]…” (Ibid., photo section, unpaginated.]

For reasons that remain unclear, the SS agents in the car failed to protect JFK. Your wholly illogical leap to interpreting Mrs. Kennedy's words to be an indictment of Greer as the killer is as typical for you as it is patently unwarranted.

Mrs. Kennedy later sent William R. Greer, the driver of the Presidential limousine, a handwritten note. It said, “For Bill Greer, whom the President loved, and who was with him until the very end. Thank you.” (New York Times, July 2, 1966, p. 10.)

Uh-oh ... Maybe you have a point after all. Tell me if I'm wrong: Mrs. Kennedy wrote the note to impose upon Greer the supreme punishment:

IRONY!

Lyndon Johnson also believed that a good driver was important and readily indicated the matter was both urgent and of great significance.

As we say in the hood, "No shit, Sherlock!" This offers zero probative value in terms of your crumbled hypothesis. What else you got?

And we do know that the Secret Service was very active at Parkland in attempting to ascertain what Nellie et al had taken in; and in urging reticence.

Which tells us nothing other than the SS was upholding its investigative and, in certain instances, conspiratorial responsibilities. But using your "logic," I claim that they were attempting to determine if any of the limo occupants had seen the mini-Martians who took out the president by firing a phaser from an air conditioning vent.

As for Connally, it's worth taking a look at who provided his bodyguard during his 1980 run for the presidency. It sure as heck wasn't the SS, for, as a relative of his explained on a Houston radio station at the time, he didn't trust them!

And why should he, given their performance in Dallas? He likely was aware that certain SS agents were complicit in the assassination. That being said, once again there is zero probative value here for your hypothesis. What else you got?

** [Father] Huber told at least one pressman as he left the hospital that there was a wound above Kennedy's left eye. He thus shared the verdict of most of the Parkland doctors who treated or had occasion to observe the President: the head entrance wound was in the left temple.

That's Father Huber, not Doctor Huber. But fine; as I asked on another post, please go into detail on your "most of the Parkland doctors ... " bit. Name names, specialties, and positions of observation of those making the claim ... and those testifying to a right temple entrance wound.

And while you're at it, explain how a left temple entrance wound, absent additional data relative to proximity, automatically indicates, to the exclusion of all other scenarios, an in-car firing position.

What else you got?