27-05-2014, 09:09 PM
Scott... I feel that way many times as well...
Yet something bothers me in a thread about the "facts" about BoP...
the lack of any mention of McGeorge Bundy... the man who ordered the final air strike cancelled leaving those 3 planes which twarted the entire mission.
Kennedy had NOTHING to do with the cancellation of those planes.
Scott... how about posting what you believe the BoP plans was DESIGNED to accomplish...
You seem to be of the impression that the CIA et al did not know about JFK's reaching out in response to Castro's interest in discussion... They knew all too well.
I have my own thoughts on what BoP was designed to do... you appear to be mixing up politics (JFK telling the anti-Castro Cubans what they needed to hear) and reality (JFK was NEVER going to invade Cuba.. neither was Nixon in my opinion...) can we please try an remember that an elite cabal of international bankers and lawyers and CEOs would not want the potential of a nuclear was for ANY reason... compared to the prolonged Cold War expenditures.
When BoP went from Nixon to JFK, all the military solutions of the Joint Chiefs were shelved... there would be no invasion of Cuba with overt US military assistance... only covert, and only because he inherited the situation. As he did with Laos and that entire region.
By 1961 the US had suffered unbelieveable losses in the fight against communism and the infultration of "western" intelligence. Cuba, Russia and Castro were kicking our asses knowing our CI plans before we even implemented them.
I will leave this post with the question that needs answering:
Scott - what was the BoP invasion designed to accomplish?
Yet something bothers me in a thread about the "facts" about BoP...
the lack of any mention of McGeorge Bundy... the man who ordered the final air strike cancelled leaving those 3 planes which twarted the entire mission.
Quote: I am so tried of reading the BULLSHIT that the BOP project was "designed to fail". Who the hell designs plans just so they can fail? The plan was never, ever design to fail. Nixon supported the plan, Kennedy wanted Castro dead. The only way that plan would have worked is had American military been used which by the way was apart of the original plan. Kennedy had a change of heart, and he feared what Russia would do in the wake had it be found out that America was behind the operation in the first place, so Kennedy decided there would be no military intervention, so how the hell do you design a plan that's destine to fail? Try having a change of heart! UGH!
Kennedy had NOTHING to do with the cancellation of those planes.
Scott... how about posting what you believe the BoP plans was DESIGNED to accomplish...
Quote: That's exactly what I mean by having a "change of heart" just as Kennedy did in the BOP. And, where did that get him? A shot in the back and one to the head.
Kennedy "tried" having peace talks with Castro, it was Castro who would keep putting them off, talking with Kennedy's (middle men and women) when Castro was good and ready, they weren't getting anywhere. So, Kennedy fired Bill Attwood. It wouldn't have looked good on Kennedy to be having these peace talks with Castro, especially because they weren't going anywhere. Had the anti-Castro Cubans found out Kennedy was doing this, Kennedy would have been long gone before 11/22/1963. Kennedy than started having these talks with Khrushchev in order to prevent war, Cuba was no real threat towards the United States, nor could it pose a communist take over of the United States, but Russia could, which is why Castro got very upset with Russia over having these talks behind Castro's back. Castro didn't really want a relation with the U.S. never.
You seem to be of the impression that the CIA et al did not know about JFK's reaching out in response to Castro's interest in discussion... They knew all too well.
I have my own thoughts on what BoP was designed to do... you appear to be mixing up politics (JFK telling the anti-Castro Cubans what they needed to hear) and reality (JFK was NEVER going to invade Cuba.. neither was Nixon in my opinion...) can we please try an remember that an elite cabal of international bankers and lawyers and CEOs would not want the potential of a nuclear was for ANY reason... compared to the prolonged Cold War expenditures.
When BoP went from Nixon to JFK, all the military solutions of the Joint Chiefs were shelved... there would be no invasion of Cuba with overt US military assistance... only covert, and only because he inherited the situation. As he did with Laos and that entire region.
By 1961 the US had suffered unbelieveable losses in the fight against communism and the infultration of "western" intelligence. Cuba, Russia and Castro were kicking our asses knowing our CI plans before we even implemented them.
I will leave this post with the question that needs answering:
Scott - what was the BoP invasion designed to accomplish?
Once in a while you get shown the light
in the strangest of places if you look at it right..... R. Hunter
in the strangest of places if you look at it right..... R. Hunter