The truth and bare facts about the Bay of Pigs

[David Josephs]

Well, you really gave me nothing to my question, the wars you speak of were pre Kennedy not post Kennedy. Those struggles have been ongoing for years prior to Kennedy taking office, any "major wars" such as Vietnam or Korea happened (what I mean is the START of a NEW war) after all the kings men you pointed out in post [42] after taking Kennedy out?

Ok Scott... not going to play this game with you.

If you truly wish to believe that the US did not START anything anywhere after JFK... so be it.
If you wish to believe that the BOP plan, post Nov 1960 was not designed to push JFK into a corner with win-win for the powers that were/are... again, fine.

I really cannot understand the CONTEXT inwhich you place these events given everything I've studied about the period. JFK was not supposed to win, none of the plans laid since 1949 or so were supposed to stop.
The CIA had very limited success around the world in their fight against Communism/Russia while the Russians and Germans roamed virtually free thru the CIA, MI6, the French Intelligence Services and what becomes NASA.

The "plan" you are defending was based on lies which made success impossible... as I posted
The same type of lies were used to get the US into Vietnam only many times worse... the Vietnam situation was created by the CIA (Prouty's book on JFK and Vietnam is MUST reading here Scott... the "Hamlet" programs and the sheer audacity of the activities is staggering....

Can you please help us understand the sources from which you come to your conclusion.

Can you walk us thru a SUCCESSFUL BOP operation.... given the information we know about force strength, training, organization, the CIA's detachment from Washington and the strength of Castro...
If a popular uprising was a key component of the plan... and every indication was that no such uprising was ever going to happen... and was KEY to the success of the plan..

How is that not planning to fail?