03-06-2014, 12:51 AM
All I can say out loud here is "wow... just wow." The POINT is that you are not a mind reader at all yet you post with such a definitive position one MUST make the assumption that you can and do read minds, both past and present.... while only offering the words of our gov't leaders as supporting evidence.
das ist eine gute ein!
A good one indeed Scott.... As I read thru this post of yours... it is painfully obvious that you will believe most anything the powers that be tell you... Ever hear of Operation Mockingbird and before that (early 1900's) the CFR group buying up all the major newspapers so the content could be controlled... GE was a huge owner of media
http://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6
Maybe you've heard of the Military Industrial (Congressional) Complex? and who owned and dictated policy to these "news" outlets?
(Operation Mockingbird was a secret campaign by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to influence media. Begun in the 1950s, it was initially organized by Cord Meyer and Allen W. Dulles, it was later led by Frank Wisner after Dulles became the head of the CIA. The organization recruited leading American journalists into a network to help present the CIA's views, and funded some student and cultural organizations, and magazines as fronts. As it developed, it also worked to influence foreign media and political campaigns, in addition to activities by other operating units of the CIA.)
That you connect the Objective of the BOP Plan as it was executed, to the desire to rid the Western Hemisphere of Communism is, well, a shock Scott and as I said very naive.
No, not me, the plan to rid communism from the Western Hemisphere was pushed by our 34[SUP]th[/SUP] president Dwight David "Ike" Eisenhower and company. There is nothing naive about that at all.
Now that IS a joke, right Scott? The plan for the MICC in the Western Hemisphere was to OWN ALL OF IT.... Communism, like "terrorism" was a rally call and justification for the US back atrocities perpetrated on the people of Latin and South America... Nope, nothing naive at all... You've heard of the FBI's SIS, United Fruit, and the Nelson Rockefeller run OCIAA.. Mon dieu :
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My philosophy? huh? You need to research this Scott because you actually believe that the BOP was ultimately a plan against Communism... it may have started that way as the impetus of the idea... but what occurred in those April days had little if anything to do with defeating Castro... and everyone knew it but the Executive Branch...
Ja, ich weiß, oder sollte ich sagen, ich weiß nichts, und Sie wissen es alle, oder?
So if you know this, why do you continue to argue against it? I ask again Scott, given what you know of the BOP, what parts of the plan were designed to Succeed? The landing, the uprising, the guerilla tactics, the air support, Bundy calling it off, what?
Maybe answer this Scott... if this was that obvious and direct an objective - remove the specter of communism from 90 miles away - why was your father and mother hounded and hunted when there were no ulterior motives? We they a threat to the USA's ability to fight Communism?
My parents had nothing to do with the BOP, how could you remove "the specter of communism" when that was the problem in the first place? My mother as you say, didn't become "hounded" until after the death of my father, it appears that both three letter agencies wanted to know what my father's relationship with Sturgis was, as if they already didn't know. What they really wanted to know is if my mother knew about the photo's my father stole which my mother remained faithfully quite about for more than 35 years, and only now she's telling all because I decided to write my book. In-fact it took a few years before my mother would open up to me about the information my father processed this is not something that just happened over night. I don't understand why you're asking about my parents when you know nothing about them.
My bad then Scott... I apologize if I offended you... In terms of removing the specter of communism... the CIA wanted to replace Castro with another Batista and reinstall the Mob, ITT, ATT and any other MICC entity that wanted to rape that island's resources... Communism was the excuse... Why are we never outraged by dictators who buy our products and give us their resources?
Posting the "facts as the media gave them to us" is akin to telling me that 911 was Saddam's doing, which is what the PR agency was paid to convince America... at one point over 90% of Americans believed Saddam was involved in 911....
Sorry, but, I'm apart of that 10% according to your statistics that believes Bin Laden is the one responsible not Saddam.
You've really go to be effing kidding me here Scott... Bin Laden?
So he arranged for the white vans to show up between 3am and 6am and bring who knows what into the building... he gets the VP to move all the NE corridor air protection out of the way?
He has access to directed nuclear devices and the ability to plant them at the based of the core coloumns...
There are 7000 entries in this timeline - I've been thru the main timeline twice and a number of related/linked subjects many times... "Able Danger" ring a bell? Did Bin Laden put a stop to that as well? http://www.historycommons.org/project.js...11_project
On June 5, 2006, the Muckraker Report contacted the FBI Headquarters, (202)
324-3000, to learn why Bin Laden's Most Wanted poster did not indicate that
Usama was also wanted in connection with 9/11. The Muckraker Report spoke with
Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI. When asked why there is
no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden's Most Wanted web page, Tomb said, "The reason
why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden's Most Wanted page is because the
FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11."
The KGB and Fidel Castro were two entities the CIA simply could not crack...
Could you please tell me how you have arrived at this conclusion?
Oh Scott... Do a little research before you post these questions of yours.... please. Or give us a few example of why I am wrong...
Another thought. Only 5 years later the ex-VP was now the most powerful man on the planet... and still no real interest or luck in Cuba...
If BOP was initially shepparded along by Nixon... and Communism was still only 90 miles away in 1963,4,5,6,7,8....
I'm willing to bet that you don't even know why Watergate happened? Did you know that it was Nixon that shut down the CIA in Moa Cuba? Did you know that their were thirty remaining frogmen stationed there and Eugenio Rolando Martinez was one of them? Did you know that Mr. Martinez was also one of the burglars that wanted Nixon (out of office)? I see there is a lot that you do not know.
You mean why McCord decided to leave the tape over the door, so once again a CIA action was designed to fail in order to take down the POTUS? Or why Hunt left breadcrumbs or why the same small group of JFK yahoos were playing the same games? Keep underestimating me Scott... The same type of completely controllable VP takes office in both cases... Helms didn't control these presidents, neither did Dulles... so why not tell us who you think was behind these activities, the SPONSORS and why, instead of talking to us about the Facilitators and Mechanics?
Why all the focus on SE Asia....? y'know other than the massive amount of drug money, the ousting of the French/Corsican drug mobs, the HUGE expenditure of military hardware, and the complete disregard for US citizen's rights and privacy...
Did you know that folks like Frank Lucas and the drug lords of this country used our government to import the drugs supplied? Read Barry and the Boys.
They USED our government? They WERE/ARE our government. But without Nixon's DEA and the all out war to replace the existing drug trade ownership with our own... and the creation of crack... oh nevermind SCott... none of this is new and only supports why I keep asking you why you think thos coverups are any different from the "War on Communism"
http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POL...A/mena.php
This area of the website has been assembled in response to the persistent claims of a few individuals that Mena is a myth, that the CIA never ran cocaine through the Mena airport, or laundered the proceeds through various Arkansas financial institutions including Morgan Guarantee, Madison S&L, Worthen Bank, and most importantly, the Arkansas Development Finance Authority. That such activities took place at Mena (among other locations) should hardly be surprising, as a read through most newspapers shows that government connections to drug running are not only commonplace, they have become the inevitable symptom of these totally corrupted times.
No Scott... BOP was designed, at the time of its execution, to embarrass JFK into action or into non-action. Either way the cabal wins...
Okay, wenn du es sagst.
Darn right I say so... all you've offered are the pat cover-up lines... When and how were they going to "Go Guerilla" again and why was part of the "successful plan" only spouoted from the mouths of the CIA, specifically Dulles to the NSC and JCS.
Ridding the Western Hemisphere of Communism,or the world for that matter is a joke being played upon us to misdirect the bewildered herds into thinking we are actually doing something in that area, much like drugs and poverty... lip service. When Communism finally does implode upon itself due to nothing more than expenses... the bogeyman became TERRORISM.... the never ending cycle of "hot spots", while the military budget grows yet drugs and poverty, civil rights, human rights and privacy and the middle class have eroded away to nothing.
WTH are you talking about?
Exactly Scott... when you finally figure it out... that NOTHING you are told has anything to do with how things are run or why... maybe you wont need to ask.
Ever hear of AMERICANS for PROSPERITY? and the unbelieveably terrible direction they are trying to take this country in the name of "less government interference"...
G~d already... are you truly this unaware of the reality in this world?
Freedom Partners is structured as a chamber of commerce and is composed of around 200 members, each paying a minimum US$100,000 in annual dues. In 2012, the organization raised $256 million.[SUP][size=12][4][/SUP]The organization, which has ties with the Koch Brothers,[SUP][5][/SUP] awards grants to advocacy organizations with the goal of raising public awareness about "important societal and economic issues".[SUP][3][/SUP] Freedom Partners gave grants worth a total of $236 million to conservative organizations including Tea Party groups like the Tea Party Patriots and organizations which opposed the Affordable Care Act prior to the 2012 election. A majority of Freedom Partners board is made up of long time employees of the Koch brothers.[SUP][6][/SUP][SUP][7][/SUP][SUP][8][/SUP] In 2012, Freedom Partners made a grant of $115 million to the Center to Protect Patient Rights.[SUP][1][/SUP]
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Scott... I have nothing against you or your family... but please don't preach to those who have spent decades studying the topic, that what we see and and what we are told via "government documents" is really how it is, was or ever will be... even more so if related to CIA, ONI, MID, MIA, SIS, etc, etc, etc.....
Ditto! He who has an ear, let him hear, I did not come here to teach or preach you anything, old dogs can not be taught new tricks, as I said, long before you were studying this my father was involved.
I beg to differ Scott... you came here and started a thread about "the truth and bare FACTS about the BOP" and then proceed to tell us the "official" story as if it was really what happened and why.As your father was involved with these characters and found himself in what must have been a very difficult situation, I applaud his courage... that has nothing to do with a belief that the BOP was part of any real war on Communism... or that is was not designed to fail in it's OVERT objective with COVERT ones working extremely well.
I am neither old or a dog. I am fully able to learn new tricks, as well as calling out the old ones for the BS they are... Packaging "government speak" as fact is not going to be met with silence, at least not while I have the opportunity to hold those who try it to a high level of evidentiary expectation.
You have offered little if anything to prove that the BOP plan was designed to succeed in its overt objective... while every bit of history shows it succeeded very well in embarassing JFK, causing more problems and tensions between USA/USSR and leading to the Cuban Missle Crisis.
Let me ask you this... If we went in ala Putin's Crimea move and simply took over... you really thing the USSR would have done a thing when the KGB and Russian Military was doing the same thing in their backyard? The double standard here is amazing... WE had hundreds of Nukes pointed at the USSR from as close as next door... the Cold War made Trillions of $$$ and continues to, only we don't call it the Cold War anymore... the Cabal call's it the "War on Terror" and it will last longer than the Roman Empire.
Habba good day!
You too Scott... and I truly wish you success with your book and your family's story... We are all victums and I applaud your willingness to put it out there. Almost no one has ever heard of the SIS or what they did.. and in turn why it was necessary for the "United Fruit" cabal to remove Hoover from the Americas to be replaced by Military Intelligence.
das ist eine gute ein!
A good one indeed Scott.... As I read thru this post of yours... it is painfully obvious that you will believe most anything the powers that be tell you... Ever hear of Operation Mockingbird and before that (early 1900's) the CFR group buying up all the major newspapers so the content could be controlled... GE was a huge owner of media
http://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6
Maybe you've heard of the Military Industrial (Congressional) Complex? and who owned and dictated policy to these "news" outlets?
(Operation Mockingbird was a secret campaign by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to influence media. Begun in the 1950s, it was initially organized by Cord Meyer and Allen W. Dulles, it was later led by Frank Wisner after Dulles became the head of the CIA. The organization recruited leading American journalists into a network to help present the CIA's views, and funded some student and cultural organizations, and magazines as fronts. As it developed, it also worked to influence foreign media and political campaigns, in addition to activities by other operating units of the CIA.)
That you connect the Objective of the BOP Plan as it was executed, to the desire to rid the Western Hemisphere of Communism is, well, a shock Scott and as I said very naive.
No, not me, the plan to rid communism from the Western Hemisphere was pushed by our 34[SUP]th[/SUP] president Dwight David "Ike" Eisenhower and company. There is nothing naive about that at all.
Now that IS a joke, right Scott? The plan for the MICC in the Western Hemisphere was to OWN ALL OF IT.... Communism, like "terrorism" was a rally call and justification for the US back atrocities perpetrated on the people of Latin and South America... Nope, nothing naive at all... You've heard of the FBI's SIS, United Fruit, and the Nelson Rockefeller run OCIAA.. Mon dieu :
:My philosophy? huh? You need to research this Scott because you actually believe that the BOP was ultimately a plan against Communism... it may have started that way as the impetus of the idea... but what occurred in those April days had little if anything to do with defeating Castro... and everyone knew it but the Executive Branch...
Ja, ich weiß, oder sollte ich sagen, ich weiß nichts, und Sie wissen es alle, oder?
So if you know this, why do you continue to argue against it? I ask again Scott, given what you know of the BOP, what parts of the plan were designed to Succeed? The landing, the uprising, the guerilla tactics, the air support, Bundy calling it off, what?
Maybe answer this Scott... if this was that obvious and direct an objective - remove the specter of communism from 90 miles away - why was your father and mother hounded and hunted when there were no ulterior motives? We they a threat to the USA's ability to fight Communism?
My parents had nothing to do with the BOP, how could you remove "the specter of communism" when that was the problem in the first place? My mother as you say, didn't become "hounded" until after the death of my father, it appears that both three letter agencies wanted to know what my father's relationship with Sturgis was, as if they already didn't know. What they really wanted to know is if my mother knew about the photo's my father stole which my mother remained faithfully quite about for more than 35 years, and only now she's telling all because I decided to write my book. In-fact it took a few years before my mother would open up to me about the information my father processed this is not something that just happened over night. I don't understand why you're asking about my parents when you know nothing about them.
My bad then Scott... I apologize if I offended you... In terms of removing the specter of communism... the CIA wanted to replace Castro with another Batista and reinstall the Mob, ITT, ATT and any other MICC entity that wanted to rape that island's resources... Communism was the excuse... Why are we never outraged by dictators who buy our products and give us their resources?
Posting the "facts as the media gave them to us" is akin to telling me that 911 was Saddam's doing, which is what the PR agency was paid to convince America... at one point over 90% of Americans believed Saddam was involved in 911....
Sorry, but, I'm apart of that 10% according to your statistics that believes Bin Laden is the one responsible not Saddam.
You've really go to be effing kidding me here Scott... Bin Laden?
So he arranged for the white vans to show up between 3am and 6am and bring who knows what into the building... he gets the VP to move all the NE corridor air protection out of the way?
He has access to directed nuclear devices and the ability to plant them at the based of the core coloumns...
There are 7000 entries in this timeline - I've been thru the main timeline twice and a number of related/linked subjects many times... "Able Danger" ring a bell? Did Bin Laden put a stop to that as well? http://www.historycommons.org/project.js...11_project
On June 5, 2006, the Muckraker Report contacted the FBI Headquarters, (202)
324-3000, to learn why Bin Laden's Most Wanted poster did not indicate that
Usama was also wanted in connection with 9/11. The Muckraker Report spoke with
Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI. When asked why there is
no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden's Most Wanted web page, Tomb said, "The reason
why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden's Most Wanted page is because the
FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11."
The KGB and Fidel Castro were two entities the CIA simply could not crack...
Could you please tell me how you have arrived at this conclusion?
Oh Scott... Do a little research before you post these questions of yours.... please. Or give us a few example of why I am wrong...
Another thought. Only 5 years later the ex-VP was now the most powerful man on the planet... and still no real interest or luck in Cuba...
If BOP was initially shepparded along by Nixon... and Communism was still only 90 miles away in 1963,4,5,6,7,8....
I'm willing to bet that you don't even know why Watergate happened? Did you know that it was Nixon that shut down the CIA in Moa Cuba? Did you know that their were thirty remaining frogmen stationed there and Eugenio Rolando Martinez was one of them? Did you know that Mr. Martinez was also one of the burglars that wanted Nixon (out of office)? I see there is a lot that you do not know.
You mean why McCord decided to leave the tape over the door, so once again a CIA action was designed to fail in order to take down the POTUS? Or why Hunt left breadcrumbs or why the same small group of JFK yahoos were playing the same games? Keep underestimating me Scott... The same type of completely controllable VP takes office in both cases... Helms didn't control these presidents, neither did Dulles... so why not tell us who you think was behind these activities, the SPONSORS and why, instead of talking to us about the Facilitators and Mechanics?
Why all the focus on SE Asia....? y'know other than the massive amount of drug money, the ousting of the French/Corsican drug mobs, the HUGE expenditure of military hardware, and the complete disregard for US citizen's rights and privacy...
Did you know that folks like Frank Lucas and the drug lords of this country used our government to import the drugs supplied? Read Barry and the Boys.
They USED our government? They WERE/ARE our government. But without Nixon's DEA and the all out war to replace the existing drug trade ownership with our own... and the creation of crack... oh nevermind SCott... none of this is new and only supports why I keep asking you why you think thos coverups are any different from the "War on Communism"
http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POL...A/mena.php
This area of the website has been assembled in response to the persistent claims of a few individuals that Mena is a myth, that the CIA never ran cocaine through the Mena airport, or laundered the proceeds through various Arkansas financial institutions including Morgan Guarantee, Madison S&L, Worthen Bank, and most importantly, the Arkansas Development Finance Authority. That such activities took place at Mena (among other locations) should hardly be surprising, as a read through most newspapers shows that government connections to drug running are not only commonplace, they have become the inevitable symptom of these totally corrupted times.
No Scott... BOP was designed, at the time of its execution, to embarrass JFK into action or into non-action. Either way the cabal wins...
Okay, wenn du es sagst.
Darn right I say so... all you've offered are the pat cover-up lines... When and how were they going to "Go Guerilla" again and why was part of the "successful plan" only spouoted from the mouths of the CIA, specifically Dulles to the NSC and JCS.
Ridding the Western Hemisphere of Communism,or the world for that matter is a joke being played upon us to misdirect the bewildered herds into thinking we are actually doing something in that area, much like drugs and poverty... lip service. When Communism finally does implode upon itself due to nothing more than expenses... the bogeyman became TERRORISM.... the never ending cycle of "hot spots", while the military budget grows yet drugs and poverty, civil rights, human rights and privacy and the middle class have eroded away to nothing.
WTH are you talking about?
Exactly Scott... when you finally figure it out... that NOTHING you are told has anything to do with how things are run or why... maybe you wont need to ask.
Ever hear of AMERICANS for PROSPERITY? and the unbelieveably terrible direction they are trying to take this country in the name of "less government interference"...
G~d already... are you truly this unaware of the reality in this world?
Freedom Partners is structured as a chamber of commerce and is composed of around 200 members, each paying a minimum US$100,000 in annual dues. In 2012, the organization raised $256 million.[SUP][size=12][4][/SUP]The organization, which has ties with the Koch Brothers,[SUP][5][/SUP] awards grants to advocacy organizations with the goal of raising public awareness about "important societal and economic issues".[SUP][3][/SUP] Freedom Partners gave grants worth a total of $236 million to conservative organizations including Tea Party groups like the Tea Party Patriots and organizations which opposed the Affordable Care Act prior to the 2012 election. A majority of Freedom Partners board is made up of long time employees of the Koch brothers.[SUP][6][/SUP][SUP][7][/SUP][SUP][8][/SUP] In 2012, Freedom Partners made a grant of $115 million to the Center to Protect Patient Rights.[SUP][1][/SUP]
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Scott... I have nothing against you or your family... but please don't preach to those who have spent decades studying the topic, that what we see and and what we are told via "government documents" is really how it is, was or ever will be... even more so if related to CIA, ONI, MID, MIA, SIS, etc, etc, etc.....
Ditto! He who has an ear, let him hear, I did not come here to teach or preach you anything, old dogs can not be taught new tricks, as I said, long before you were studying this my father was involved.
I beg to differ Scott... you came here and started a thread about "the truth and bare FACTS about the BOP" and then proceed to tell us the "official" story as if it was really what happened and why.As your father was involved with these characters and found himself in what must have been a very difficult situation, I applaud his courage... that has nothing to do with a belief that the BOP was part of any real war on Communism... or that is was not designed to fail in it's OVERT objective with COVERT ones working extremely well.
I am neither old or a dog. I am fully able to learn new tricks, as well as calling out the old ones for the BS they are... Packaging "government speak" as fact is not going to be met with silence, at least not while I have the opportunity to hold those who try it to a high level of evidentiary expectation.
You have offered little if anything to prove that the BOP plan was designed to succeed in its overt objective... while every bit of history shows it succeeded very well in embarassing JFK, causing more problems and tensions between USA/USSR and leading to the Cuban Missle Crisis.
Let me ask you this... If we went in ala Putin's Crimea move and simply took over... you really thing the USSR would have done a thing when the KGB and Russian Military was doing the same thing in their backyard? The double standard here is amazing... WE had hundreds of Nukes pointed at the USSR from as close as next door... the Cold War made Trillions of $$$ and continues to, only we don't call it the Cold War anymore... the Cabal call's it the "War on Terror" and it will last longer than the Roman Empire.
Habba good day!
You too Scott... and I truly wish you success with your book and your family's story... We are all victums and I applaud your willingness to put it out there. Almost no one has ever heard of the SIS or what they did.. and in turn why it was necessary for the "United Fruit" cabal to remove Hoover from the Americas to be replaced by Military Intelligence.
Once in a while you get shown the light
in the strangest of places if you look at it right..... R. Hunter
in the strangest of places if you look at it right..... R. Hunter