Lyndon Johnson and Mac Wallace - by Joan Mellen

[Tom Bowden]

Jay did not have the final Pegues manuscript, Joan is correct that the Peques document did not have a lot of useful information. She may have also been thrown off by his language, which was very vulgar. Remember Peques was getting most of his information from BSE and I was using the same source. I know that Jay had a disagreement with Lyle Sardi. Lyle did have a signed document from Peques's mother and she gave him some of the remaining information. Jay introduced me to John Kinser's relative and we had a long discussion.

I discussed the BSE girl friend with BSE. I know Jay felt that it was one of the reasons, someone would want to kill Peques. When BSE was upset, his eyes would literally change from blue to a beady eyed black. During my long discussions with him, they did in fact make the change One of them was the discussion of his girlfriend. It was not as violent reaction as to other subjects when he threaten to feed me carbon monoxide. I lost count of the times he brought up that subject.

BSE gave me keys to search his files, which were in an old house outside Abilene. He knew I collected the information in my possession. At times he gave me bullshit information and other times he was candid. He did not have tapes from the sixties. I have proof of that. He did tape people after he was out of prison the first time. In fact he taped even his closest associates. I saw those tapes and heard some of them. BSE would rather tell a lie than the truth even if the truth sounded better.