Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Can't find diagram of shots to jfk from conspiracy point of view?
#58
William Charleston Wrote:
Drew Phipps Wrote:Seems very unlikely to me that a separate bullet that transited merely the wrist would impart more of a momentum change in Conally's torso than even a whole bullet thru the chest could have possibly imparted. What you are trying to suggest sounds like handball players who are knocked backwards while playing because of the contact between the hand and the ball.

I am not trying to suggest anything, I am stating that:

1. The time between shots in the Zapruder film matches the times between shots in the latest analysis of the acoustical evidence. That proves statistically that the acoustical evidence is valid.

2. Knowing when shots were fired by using BOTH the Z film and the acoustical evidence produces a unique scenario because just like any other "theory". In the acoustical analysis scenario, you have some chance of knowing where EACH of the shots was fired from because the analysis using echo correlation has to know approximately where each shot was fired from AND where the microphone was.

John Connally at Z224 starts his first reaction to a shot. That is 4.8 seconds BEFORE JFK is shot in the head which is when the acoustical analysis indicates the 2nd shot was fired from the TSBD. John Connally then snaps to the left then begins his turn to the right to look where he thought the shot came from. John Connally was not wounded at this point in the back, he only had a trivial left thigh wound caused by a bullet fragment, not a bullet. John Connally has no blood on his shirt that can be seen from Z224 all the way to JFK's head shot, NONE.

The Z313 shot from the left front and the last shot from the TSBD were 0.7 seconds apart. The Z 313 shot knocked JFK's head out of the way, the last shot from the TSBD missed JFK' s head and at Z325, we see John Connally violently thrown forward when TSBD shot #3 hits him in the back, exits his chest, hits his right wrist. Connally's right wrist is higher than it was earlier.

This scenario explains many things the SBT and other guesses/lies can't:

Nellie and John said he turned after JFK was first wounded. He turned to the right and was turning back to look over his left shoulder when he was bent over by the force of the bullet to his back.

It is hard to comprehend that John Connally could turn to look over his right shoulder with an exit wound in his chest about the size of a baseball. Bugliosi and others argue it is possible. OK, but is it reasonable Connally turned with a serious chest wound from Z224 until Z325? The answer is it is not reasonable but people believe it only because the government "investigations" said it happened. Some of them lied and some of them were conned into buying into the biggest lie in history.

The chest wound and right wrist wound to Connally are reasonably matched but the left thigh wound is not. It was caused by a bullet fragment.

CE399 found on a stretcher had to have been planted. It was not found on neither JFK's or Connally's stretcher according to the orderly who found CE399. But the Warren Comm. chose to believe the orderly was mistaken just like they chose not to believe the press reporter who said he talked with Jack Ruby at Parkland Hospital (which makes Jack Ruby a very likely suspect to have planted CE399). The Warren Comm. didn't believe the reporter either.

For that matter, the Warren Comm chose not to believe the Connally's when they described his turn after JFK was first wounded. But the Connally's also said that John Connally was wounded in the back and then JFK was shot in the head but if you look at the Z film, Connally was facing forward when JFK was shot in the head, he did NOT see JFK wounded and therefore did know the time JFK was wounded. The goverment interegators argued with both of the Connally's. i believe they coerced the witnesses to saying JFK was shot in the head after Connally was shot in the back.

How did they hide the Connally back wound time so long?


ANSWER: Ever JFK researcher bought the lie that Connally to be close to the TSBD when the shot hit him in the back because the angle had to be down to allow the bullet to hit his left thigh. With that constraint, nobody believed it was possible for Connally to have been shot in the back much later than Z230 or so......

It's easy to fool Americans, all you have to is fool the press. Those who disagree will be called conspiracy theorists and other demeaning terms. We can't know the truth until the media and the government tells us the answers, until then, shut up.

To figure out what happened, you must question everything the US government provided as evidence and conclusions from their "investigations." Only use evidence the US government could not have forged and the scenario you come up with will mostly be consistent with what the witnesses said happened. At that point, you can see US government lies everywhere as you compare the correct shooting scenario with the US government fairy tales and lies.

The main problem I see with your explanation is that the back wound and wrist wound suffered by JBC were NOT reasonably matched, and I have a great deal of difficulty seeing how they were made by the same bullet. Don't feel badly about this. This is basically the same thing that makes the Single Bullet Theory an impossibility.

To understand what I am saying, please look at the following drawings:

[Image: images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTJ8yRlLy1usktp0eM-UKb...rlX4RisqEr]

[Image: images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTExbYAi43goVKYmUv9-wy...ttJKezu9kw]

[Image: images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ5fXiW6XfgMTb1PV8lVcD...FY9iv_hrzA]

The first two drawings depict a bullet path that would have the bullet striking the side of the wrist. As the bullet passed between the radius and ulna bones of the forearm, after striking the radius bone full on, these drawings depict an impossibility.

The final drawing depicts the bullet striking the palm or volar side of the wrist and exiting the dorsal aspect or back of the wrist. As medical testimony to the WC clearly states the bullet struck the dorsal aspect (back) of the wrist and exited the palm side of the wrist, this drawing, too, depicts an impossibility.

To gain even further understanding of this basic flaw in the SBT, please look at the x-ray of JBC's wrist wound.

[Image: Photo_hsca_ex_84.jpg]

This is the x-ray of the bullet wound in JBC's right forearm, as viewed from the underside. JBC's right thumb can be seen in the upper right portion of the x-ray. As can be plainly seen, the bullet squarely struck the back side of the radius bone, without penetrating it. Magically, it did not stop there but, somehow, moved laterally a good inch, to the space between the radius and ulna bones, before continuing its journey to JBC's left thigh.

While it is a great mystery that this bullet did not go right through the radius bone (in your theory and the SBT), the greatest mystery, to me, is how the bullet was able to strike the back of the radius bone after exiting JBC's chest. Looking again at the drawings, and I recommend trying this on yourself, as well, you can see that it is impossible to rotate the arm back far enough to be able to present the back side of the wrist to a bullet exiting the chest just below the right nipple. Partial rotations of the wrist that would involve the bullet glancing off of the radius bone don't make sense, either, as the bullet would then hit the ulna bone, instead of passing between the bones. As can be seen in the x-ray, the ulna bone is unscratched.


To make things even worse for the possibility of one bullet inflicting both wounds, here is an enlargement of frame z230 of the Zapruder film:

[Image: images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRtQ5Ijox3C2oScSjf2tWt...DZ1tz73iqw]

See how high JBC is holding his hat in his right hand? How did a bullet exiting below his right nipple manage to hit the back of his wrist?


Here is an even larger blowup of z230:

[Image: images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTyC3UCAJyEuwgel14fCqs...ok0xGyDF28]
Mr. HILL. The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car. Mrs. Kennedy was completely covered with blood. There was so much blood you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not, except for the one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head.

Warren Commission testimony of Secret Service Agent Clinton J. Hill, 1964
Reply


Messages In This Thread
Can't find diagram of shots to jfk from conspiracy point of view? - by Bob Prudhomme - 07-09-2014, 09:50 PM

Possibly Related Threads…
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  New Alt.Conspiracy.JFK Google Group Brian Doyle 0 494 21-11-2023, 04:47 PM
Last Post: Brian Doyle
  Thomas Kelley reports Oswald said he did not view parade Richard Gilbride 1 647 26-09-2023, 04:31 PM
Last Post: Brian Doyle
  DiEugenio Betrays Conspiracy Research Brian Doyle 1 747 07-07-2023, 04:32 PM
Last Post: Brian Doyle
  The Conspiracy to Kill Lee Harvey Oswald --- Conclusion Gil Jesus 1 925 01-04-2023, 04:23 PM
Last Post: Brian Doyle
  The Conspiracy to Kill Lee Harvey Oswald --- Part IV Gil Jesus 0 691 26-03-2023, 02:10 PM
Last Post: Gil Jesus
  The Conspiracy to Kill Lee Harvey Oswald --- Part III Gil Jesus 0 741 15-03-2023, 11:34 AM
Last Post: Gil Jesus
  The Conspiracy to Kill Lee Harvey Oswald Pt. 1 & 2 Gil Jesus 0 688 08-03-2023, 01:28 PM
Last Post: Gil Jesus
  JFK Conspiracy for Younger Generations Cliff Varnell 1 2,906 02-06-2019, 11:17 AM
Last Post: Cliff Varnell
  JFK and Far Right Conspiracy Rhetoric Jim DiEugenio 4 9,360 02-01-2019, 06:14 AM
Last Post: Scott Kaiser
  rootclaim - Estimating the Probability of Conspiracy vs. LHO Acted Alone Bill Fite 11 10,530 29-04-2018, 05:08 PM
Last Post: Phil Dagosto

Forum Jump:


Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)