Scotish independence

[David Guyatt]

That very large Scottish bank is owned 81% by the British government now, as otherwise it would've gone belly up in 2008 with massive losses and rotten assets.

One thing about the Scottish debate that is really never discussed, is we poor English who are not masters in our own house and who have suffered under the burden of celtic party leaders - mainly scots, but some Irish and a few Welsh too. Over the past many decades, British political party leaders of the three main partiers are celtic in origin - to a greater or lesser degree. Check it out. Britain is run by celts in other words, and has been for decades past.

As Michael Caine used to say, "not many people know that"... ::

Come on be serious this is absolutely ridiculous nonsense you are talking here I'm afraid. You are run by celts for the last 30 years? Utter tripe, we have been run by England for 300 years and continue to be so, you have had precisely zero 'celts' as leaders in the last 30 years, you are talking ethnicity by using that term, Blair, not a celtic name, was vaguely 'Scottish', Brown, not a celtic name either, headed a government composed almost entirely of English people as all governments of the UK always have been, and governed according to the needs and wants of the south-east of England nowhere else, that is utterly, completely ridiculous to say that and mildly offensive.

Do we decide when you go to war? Who with, for how long, for what reasons and in what way it is prosecuted? No, you do that for us, do we set your budget for all public spending throughout the whole of England? No, you do that for us, do we represent you in foreign affairs and diplomacy? No, you do that for us, governed by celts honestly I don't think I've ever read anything as stupid in all my life. Poor oppressed you eh, just collecting all the taxes for the whole UK, deciding how they are spent and where, deciding what is in the 'national interest' meaning we all have to pay for it (strangely enough genereally infrastructure projects in the south-east of England), deciding which powers are inconsequential enough to gift the Scottish parliament like crumbs from your table, governed by celts I honestly can't believe anyone could write something as ludicrous as that and assume it was simply a bad joke.

I said check it out Malcolm. It's easy to do, rather than just revert to old tired insults.

I note only that a disproportionate number of party leaders for the last several decades (mostly post the awful Thatchler) has been of partial or full Scottish, Irish, or Welsh parentage or born. Yes, it's a peculiarity, and yes it's quite unfathomable, but it is absolutely true. Blair, Brown, Cameron, Steel, Grimond, Ashdown, Kinnock, Smith, Duncan-Smith, (but probably not Howard who was, non-the-less born in Wales), Kennedy, Campbell. The Liberal Party seems to be a particular preserve of Scots since the turn of the last century btw (see HERE), which very likely had something to do with Scottish Freemasonry and related Rosicrucian connections (hence the Reform Club - hence RC = Rosy Cross etc).

Personally, I don't think it makes a farts difference either way today, as we're dealing with an establishment creating and/or protecting its wealth at the expense of genuine democracy which is, for me, a complete fairy tale.

Whereas you have a very clear and definite position on the Scottish-English debate, I have none. Sorry. For me it is Culdees Sack, that goes nowhere and is, actually a false argument. I mean no disrespect by this. I care little about tribal matters. It's divisive.

But that's just me.

Clear the barrels by all means, but blow the smoke well clear in order to see what is there to be seen.