03-12-2014, 11:36 AM
Malcolm John Wrote:I don't even know what to say to nonsense like this, except its irrelevant what it is to you, it only matters what it actually is, and what it actually is is certainly not tribal, or parochial, another word you throw in deliberately to denigrate and insult. Scotland is a country. You live in a country that has no democratic deficit at all, I don't, we're not happy about that, I don't know what could possibly be considered unreasonable, parochial or tribal about that.
How about a reality check and how about stopping with the written attacks? There is a certain lack of logic in your stating that 'it doesn't matter what others (such as David) think'...and then going on and telling us what you think...as it would be equally wanting in being 'something that mattered' by your own say-so. I don't see how what David said should or would have set off the attack it seems to have. I'm an American who can't live in my own country for political reasons - in the interest of clarity. While I'm sure you are passionate about Scottish Independence and you're most welcome to be. (I'd personally be happy with it...but don't think the UK will allow...nor will their masters [as David pointed out]...the US and those in the shadows behind all the major powers, IMO).
Please feel free to engage here, but without resorting to rancor - and less so when I don't see that you were subjected to any 'attack'. We are posting and hopefully debating ideas here...., not the person for holding a position. You have your views and David has his. I have mine and others have theirs......."what it actually is" is highly subjective when it comes to history and political analysis, etc. Saying that England has no political deficit, to me, is highly questionable [and I'm being polite in use of that term]. I don't see much democracy [real democracy!] anywhere - it varies slightly place-to-place, but almost everywhere I see top-down oligarchy, and in some places a corporatocracy. Democracy and 'voting' (where allowed) is often used as a narcotic to make the sheeple think they have a say in their governance...but what say they have is 1] highly illusory and 2] when at all, only on small local issues. Big money, big wars, big spying, big swindling, big evesdropping on citizens, etc. are not decided democratically, but by those few who undemocratically run the World (IMO).
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass

