21-06-2015, 07:06 AM
Don Jeffries Wrote:These are talking points familiar to anyone who has read some of the "research" threads at ROKC. Vanessa, you wouldn't be referring derisively to Dawn's "busy" schedule because you and others at ROKC regularly refer to her as the "Very Busy Lowyer," would you?
How do you expect me to feel about your idol, Vanessa, when he runs a forum where I (and others) have been caricatured in the most juvenile manner imaginable? Photoshopping chocolate on my face? Really- do kindergartners even do that? One Hasan Yousef- whom I have never even interacted with on the internet in any manner at all- has called for me to jump off a cliff and do everyone a favor on that forum, and threatened to punch my "ugly face." What kind of adult makes those kinds of statements on a public forum, about someone he's never met or even communicated with in a cyber sense? And it's all because I dared to disagree with his inexplicable idol Greg Parker.
Vanessa, you look like a nice person in your photo. What attracts you to a forum like ROKC? Do you approve of the language, and the childish, gutter level of "debate" there? And yet you come on this forum and criticize people for their comments? You have a highly selective sense of outrage, it appears. And why do you keep baiting Albert Doyle by calling him "Brian?" What secret information do you have about his name? And your willingness to ridicule him this way wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that he, too, has incurred the wrath of Greg Parker and his followers, would it?
Btw, I'm still a moderator at the EF. My comments here about that forum are no different from what I've told them in many emails (almost all of them unanswered). I care about that forum, as well as this one. They are important sources of information for everyone, and I think it's pathetic that they are so often ruined by problematic personalities like Greg Parker. It is very difficult to have an honest dialogue about anything on these forums, when individuals bombard the threads with endless, circular arguments that impede honest efforts to expose the truth about this case.
Hello Don
Just for the record, I have never referred to Dawn as the "Very Busy Lowyer". I made the comment about her being busy because she referred to how busy she was in at least two posts prior to my posting my comment on Armstrong's book.
This is how I see it. A thread was established on DP entitled "The Fiasco of Spartacus" it includes some derogatory remarks about a number of people from EF (including ROKCers) due to their views on H&L and the poll conducted on EF about H&L.
So I came on here to address that issue and to suggest that the two main protagonists attempt to address the H&L issues that have been raised in a debate on BOR.
For my troubles I have been accused of all sorts of unpleasant things including trolling. I see this as an illustration in micro-cosm of the broader issue that people have with ROKC. Which is: ROKCers get slagged off on a forum, ROKCers retaliate with vigour and are then branded all sorts of things including being demonically obsessed'. Which is not only completely over the top and ridiculous but if you can show me a researcher who is not obsessed with the case then the Pope isn't Catholic.
Obviously GP is not my idol' Don, and you really should know better than to make comments that are clearly meant to both provoke and insult. I am on here defending the ROKC, EF and myself. As you know GP can't because he's been banned.
I guess the comment about the photo is quite illustrative. Thanks for the compliment but I don't really think anyone's character can be ascertained by their photo. And I have plenty of photos where I'm sure I don't look like a nice person at all.
I'm a free speech extremist. Do you support Charlie Hebdo? From what I've seen it's a grossly insulting satirical magazine. Even so, it has a role to play and I support it's right to be. I would never have purchased Charlie Hebdo if it had been available in this country but I would die in a ditch for it's right to be. ROKC is the Charlie Hebdo of the research community. If you believe in free speech then you should support it. ROKC is also engaged in serious research at a number of levels on the PM issue (and a raft of other issues). I think the research community would be a lot better off focussing on that rather than the bad language. Obviously I don't support physical violence of any kind and I haven't seen anything like that since I've been on ROKC.
Seeing as it's show and tell time Don, I have to ask you about your role on EF as a moderator and your partisan support for the H&L theory. I haven't seen that from a moderator on any other forum. They usually don't comment at all and they certainly don't weigh in on one side as you have done. Do you really think that's an appropriate role for a moderator to take?
And now you have called on H&L supporters on DP to come on EF to help out. While I certainly would like to see Mr Di E. on EF I'm puzzled by your strong show of support for this theory. Even if it was true it does not get us to any answers over who killed JFK. So why do you support it so strongly?
Albert Doyle's real name is Brian. His father's name is Albert. I guess it's up to him to explain why he is not using his real name.
The one thing I don't understand, and have never understood, about the research community is the personal politics. I have worked in a few different workplaces with a mix of personalities yet we manage to put those differences aside in the pursuit of a common goal. I don't understand why the research community can't adopt the same professional approach given what's at stake.