Joël v.d. Reijden: 9/11 buildings brought down with explosives and thermate

[Lauren Johnson]

says he is 95% sure. Here is the link and it is a very long read:

https://wikispooks.com/ISGP/911/911_evid...t_WTC.html

[Peter Lemkin]

Just read the whole thing....long and a pretty good summary - though I disagree strongly with some of his 'facts' and takes.....perhaps I should be more specific.

The fact that the 'media', especially the so-called MSM just won't take any of the alternative theories seriously, the suspicious deaths, the witness testimony and evidence that points to a false official story is the same-old-same-old as in other false-flag operations from Dallas to today....

[Dawn Meredith]

I read most of it, skimmed some...(have to get some work done today...) glad to see him speak to the disinfo in the research community...
Anyone here read Dean Hartwell's Planes withouth Passangers? Dean and I used to be friends til I was critical of his 9-11 "thinking". I have not read the book. He's also a no planes guy.

Dawn

[Peter Lemkin]

I read most of it, skimmed some...(have to get some work done today...) glad to see him speak to the disinfo in the research community...
Anyone here read Dean Hartwell's Planes withouth Passangers? Dean and I used to be friends til I was critical of his 9-11 "thinking". I have not read the book. He's also a no planes guy.

Dawn

I've not read his book, but most people who are labeled 'no planes' don't really believe there were no planes, only that the planes were not the passenger planes we were led to believe; rather they were switched mid-air [as was suggested long ago in Operation Northwoods] for drones. The 'real' planes landed and the people [mostly, curiously Defense-types] somehow let go. The drones, disguised as passenger planes followed their homing beam into the towers. Some also, as do I, that a bunker-buster type missile, not a plane hit the Pentagon - and that was also accomplished with a last minute 'switch'. Radar data and one incident [little reported...wonder why] of one of the crashed planes landing in Cleveland and all the passengers being escorted off under guard to a NASA facility on the field, lend quite a bit of credibility to the 'no [passenger] plane' theory. :mexican:

[Dawn Meredith]

I read most of it, skimmed some...(have to get some work done today...) glad to see him speak to the disinfo in the research community...
Anyone here read Dean Hartwell's Planes withouth Passangers? Dean and I used to be friends til I was critical of his 9-11 "thinking". I have not read the book. He's also a no planes guy.

Dawn

I've not read his book, but most people who are labeled 'no planes' don't really believe there were no planes, only that the planes were not the passenger planes we were led to believe; rather they were switched mid-air [as was suggested long ago in Operation Northwoods] for drones. The 'real' planes landed and the people [mostly, curiously Defense-types] somehow let go. The drones, disguised as passenger planes followed their homing beam into the towers. Some also, as do I, that a bunker-buster type missile, not a plane hit the Pentagon - and that was also accomplished with a last minute 'switch'. Radar data and one incident [little reported...wonder why] of one of the crashed planes landing in Cleveland and all the passengers being escorted off under guard to a NASA facility on the field, lend quite a bit of credibility to the 'no [passenger] plane theory. :mexican:

Peter, read the reviews on Amazon. He believes that the passangers are alive and went along with it...fake funerals. Pleeeease. I don't know about one of the planes landing in Cleavland. I did read that many mil intel were on a plane.

[Peter Lemkin]

I read most of it, skimmed some...(have to get some work done today...) glad to see him speak to the disinfo in the research community...
Anyone here read Dean Hartwell's Planes withouth Passangers? Dean and I used to be friends til I was critical of his 9-11 "thinking". I have not read the book. He's also a no planes guy.

Dawn

I've not read his book, but most people who are labeled 'no planes' don't really believe there were no planes, only that the planes were not the passenger planes we were led to believe; rather they were switched mid-air [as was suggested long ago in Operation Northwoods] for drones. The 'real' planes landed and the people [mostly, curiously Defense-types] somehow let go. The drones, disguised as passenger planes followed their homing beam into the towers. Some also, as do I, that a bunker-buster type missile, not a plane hit the Pentagon - and that was also accomplished with a last minute 'switch'. Radar data and one incident [little reported...wonder why] of one of the crashed planes landing in Cleveland and all the passengers being escorted off under guard to a NASA facility on the field, lend quite a bit of credibility to the 'no [passenger] plane theory. :mexican:

Peter, read the reviews on Amazon. He believes that the passangers are alive and went along with it...fake funerals. Pleeeease. I don't know about one of the planes landing in Cleavland. I did read that many mil intel were on a plane.

This is a complex topic and I can't simplify it here. A brief summary, only. Without knowing all the anomalies of those planes before, during and after [!] 911, it seems implausible. It is not. I don't claim to believe that the planes were not the 'originals' [as opposed to drones of full-plane size and painting], but I'm inclined along that direction. The flights were unusually empty [statistically significantly empty]; crossed paths with other radar blips at moments when both planes were briefly not visible but should have been [that's how one would do a switch] - at very significant points on their trajectory - and just after the 'crossing' changed direction toward their 'target'. Some of the planes were at two places at the same time and one was still listed on AA active list long after 911. Mistakes.....maybe....but too many coincidents that day for my belief system. There is more.......an unusually large number [but not all] of the listed passengers were involved in the MIC and related. The landing at Cleveland is about the strangest incident of the lot....and the Govt. and the airlines are not talking about it...but then they refuse to produce even ONE piece of any of the planes with serial numbers on them [thousands of plane parts have unique numbers on them!..that no other plane has - now why would they deny these FOIA requests if their official scenario is true. I think very little of the official scenario is true..but the full truth is complex and some parts still elude a consensus of the 911-Truth community. A consensus is building on a few things, I think: controlled demolition of WTC 1,2, and 7; something other than a 757 hit the Pentagon; Flight 93 or its drone was shot down and did not have a crash due to passenger rebellion; the 19 patsies were all intelligence and/or military connected - some with US and other 'friendly' ones; they were patsies and some are still alive; what was found in Atta's car was planted to be found; fighters were SUPPRESSED by a variety of means, rather than scrambled to intercept the four errant flights to allow them to complete the mission; a doomsday plane - or possibly 3 of the four in existence were operational that day - one over the White House and Pentagon, for sure; the investigations were cover-ups and not investigations. Strange as it sounds, it is possible that the flights we were led to believe were either switched, never took off or some other strange magic show occurred. 911 is like 11/22 on steroids as far as high strangeness and make-believe. Some of the best and most conservative work on the planes is at the website Pilots For 911 Truth. They have all but proven that NO HUMAN piloted the planes into the towers or Pentagon....all vehicles were under computer control....that is now about 99.9% certain. If there were pilots in them, or even hijackers - they were NOT in control of the planes. Some computer was and my guess would be that that computer [or its signal] was in those doomsday planes.......