Posts: 9,353
Threads: 1,466
Likes Received: 0 in 0 posts
Likes Given: 0
Joined: Sep 2008
Phew! I went from cold chills to eurphoria in less than two minutes.
You teaser Lloyd!  mokin:
But I suppose that footnoted footnote clause is still effective elsewhere in Europe if not in dear old Blighty?
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge. Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
Posts: 84
Threads: 7
Likes Received: 0 in 0 posts
Likes Given: 0
Joined: Jan 2009
David Guyatt Wrote:Phew! I went from cold chills to eurphoria in less than two minutes.
You teaser Lloyd! mokin:
But I suppose that footnoted footnote clause is still effective elsewhere in Europe if not in dear old Blighty?
Yeah, sorry about that.
I have been thinking... (never good)
Protocol 13 does indeed protect everyone who lives in a country that has signed it from the death penalty. The only way that can change is for said country to leave the European Council which would of course lead to the other countries invading it to "save the union" and would later be called a "Civil War" instead of a war of northern aggression and history would later blame the war on slavery... er.... Or something like that.
Any way, it does not change the fact that you can be deprived of life if you are rioting, and an armed police officer deems it proportionate to end your life for the greater public good. And with everyone holding a camera at the riot already in a paddy wagon off to a night in the nick, noone will be able to argue against the officers decision. To back up this claim let me direct your attention once again to:
"Deprivation of life shall not be regarded as inflicted in contravention of this article
when it results from the use of force which is no more than absolutely necessary:
(a) in defence of any person from unlawful violence;
(b) in order to effect a lawful arrest or to prevent the escape of a person lawfully
detained;
© in action lawfully taken for the purpose of quelling a riot or insurrection."
The worm has ate the apples core, beneath the skin lies curled.
Just so many a man lies sore, from the worm within the world.
Posts: 9,353
Threads: 1,466
Likes Received: 0 in 0 posts
Likes Given: 0
Joined: Sep 2008
Bite the hand the oppresses you and it'll overkill you. Is that a fair summation?
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge. Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
Posts: 16,099
Threads: 1,767
Likes Received: 0 in 0 posts
Likes Given: 0
Joined: Sep 2008
I'm sure UK concentration camps would serve tea and bisquits and stop all torture for tea time....so civilized!
Posts: 9,353
Threads: 1,466
Likes Received: 0 in 0 posts
Likes Given: 0
Joined: Sep 2008
And for tiffin too. Never forget that time. Please.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge. Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
Posts: 17,303
Threads: 3,464
Likes Received: 0 in 0 posts
Likes Given: 2
Joined: Sep 2008
Not according to an ex-boyfriend of mine who was given the treatment by the British. White noise, sleep deprivation, beatings and other interrogation techniques. Much like Guantanamo or Abu Grahib from his description. Not a cuppa or a biscuit to be seen until they released him for lack of evidence. They dumped him naked in the streets at midnight and it was the Salvation Army going around picking up drunks found him and made him a cuppa and gave him a blanket.
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx
"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.
“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
Posts: 84
Threads: 7
Likes Received: 0 in 0 posts
Likes Given: 0
Joined: Jan 2009
They must have at least offered him a cucumber sandwich. If he says they didnt, then he was probably in Ireland (I think it's the magna carta that promises a cucumber sandwhich during a routine beasting :p)
The worm has ate the apples core, beneath the skin lies curled.
Just so many a man lies sore, from the worm within the world.
Posts: 17,303
Threads: 3,464
Likes Received: 0 in 0 posts
Likes Given: 2
Joined: Sep 2008
While following up something in the MK NAOMI thread Jan posted this morning I came across this. Synchronicity.
Quote:The British government, on 9 August 1971, unleashed one of its largest deep interrogation experiments. Irish internees were made to stand with hoods over their heads while electronic noise was played through speakers or headphones. They were naked, half-starved, and abused. Professor Robert Daly: [17][18] ”Being awakened in the middle of the night, being beaten, lied to, and insulted, was all part of the ‘unfreezing process’ through which psychological defenses were broken down, and terror and humiliation were induced. Hence, the photographing in the nude, being forced to urinate while running, the sadism and abuse. The aim of the treatment was to cause temporary insanity, a severe psychological injury liable to having lasting consequences.” The unprecedented operations in Northern Ireland, prompted Amnesty International and the European Court of Human Rights to intervene. P. 58, 59
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx
"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.
“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
Posts: 84
Threads: 7
Likes Received: 0 in 0 posts
Likes Given: 0
Joined: Jan 2009
Magda Hassan Wrote:While following up something in the MK NAOMI thread Jan posted this morning I came across this. Synchronicity.
Quote:The British government, on 9 August 1971, unleashed one of its largest deep interrogation experiments. Irish internees were made to stand with hoods over their heads while electronic noise was played through speakers or headphones. They were naked, half-starved, and abused. Professor Robert Daly: [17][18] ”Being awakened in the middle of the night, being beaten, lied to, and insulted, was all part of the ‘unfreezing process’ through which psychological defenses were broken down, and terror and humiliation were induced. Hence, the photographing in the nude, being forced to urinate while running, the sadism and abuse. The aim of the treatment was to cause temporary insanity, a severe psychological injury liable to having lasting consequences.” The unprecedented operations in Northern Ireland, prompted Amnesty International and the European Court of Human Rights to intervene. P. 58, 59
The intervention obviously did nothing. I'm reminded of the news stories over here concerning British troops being sent into Iraq. It was apparently our years of experience in NI that would make us such an effective force over there. Obviously our "success" in dealing with the troubles made us the perfect choice to stop the sectarian violence in Basra. then the videos and photos showing familiar torture methods surfaced. Who better to teach the CIA about breaking prisoners than the British.
The worm has ate the apples core, beneath the skin lies curled.
Just so many a man lies sore, from the worm within the world.
Posts: 17,303
Threads: 3,464
Likes Received: 0 in 0 posts
Likes Given: 2
Joined: Sep 2008
Damien Lloyd Wrote:They must have at least offered him a cucumber sandwich. If he says they didnt, then he was probably in Ireland (I think it's the magna carta that promises a cucumber sandwhich during a routine beasting :p) Yes, it was Ireland. Belfast in the late 1970's. Though the Salvation Army picked him up to take him to their Protestant night shelter , where they did give him a cuppa and a blanket (and possibly cucumber sandwiches), he did not feel particularly safe given his obvious recent incarceration at HM pleasure and even though he was Jewish and English and didn't have a dog in the Catholic/Protestant fight it was always "Well, are you a Protestant Jew or a Catholic Jew?" Given that he was married to a Catholic at the time I suppose he was a Catholic Jew :hmmmm:
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx
"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.
“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
|
