How the nazis won the war

[Jeffrey Orling]

Thanks for the link... what is Chomsky's relation to it, 911 and JFK?

[Magda Hassan]

Thanks for the link... what is Chomsky's relation to it, 911 and JFK?

He doesn't 'go there'. When he did go to JFK it was awful. Unlike his critique of capitalism or US policy. So it is good he doesn't 'go there'.

[Dawn Meredith]

Chomsky is so right on this topic, how can he be so wrong in regard to JFK & 9-11 ? Chomsky's anti Americanism and anti capitalism has made him a millionaire, if he pursued JFK & 9-11 in the same way his income and availability would be curtailed by his intelligence masters. Doesn't MIT receive buckets of federal grants ?

Of course and MIT is filled with spooks. His "intelligence masters" have SO influenced him that he finally wrote a pro Warren Commission book some years back.
Of course he is charming, David. I met him in the early 70's. He was speaking at MIT along with Carl Oglesby...(odd coupling) ...and found him smart and compelling. I even have his books (Washington Connection and Third World Fascism, and After The Cataclysm).
So he's a charming man.
But then so is Obama.
I rest my case.

Dawn

ps David, that's ok. But now you owe me a drink, a virtual one I suppose.

[David Guyatt]

Chomsky is so right on this topic, how can he be so wrong in regard to JFK & 9-11 ? Chomsky's anti Americanism and anti capitalism has made him a millionaire, if he pursued JFK & 9-11 in the same way his income and availability would be curtailed by his intelligence masters. Doesn't MIT receive buckets of federal grants ?

Of course and MIT is filled with spooks. His "intelligence masters" have SO influenced him that he finally wrote a pro Warren Commission book some years back.
Of course he is charming, David. I met him in the early 70's. He was speaking at MIT along with Carl Oglesby...(odd coupling) ...and found him smart and compelling. I even have his books (Washington Connection and Third World Fascism, and After The Cataclysm).
So he's a charming man.
But then so is Obama.
I rest my case.

Dawn

ps David, that's ok. But now you owe me a drink, a virtual one I suppose.

Know any good cyber bars? I'll make it a double.

Obama is a glad-handing duplicitous politician - a place-man for the old buzz cut cold warrior Zbigniew Brzezinski, and his mates at the Trilateral Commission. Chomsky is unquestionably wrong about JFK and 911. I just don't buy that he is a bought and paid for gatekeeper. But that's just me.

Anyway, we'll agree to disagree over ice cold rum daiqruiri's, okay.

[Dawn Meredith]

Chomsky is so right on this topic, how can he be so wrong in regard to JFK & 9-11 ? Chomsky's anti Americanism and anti capitalism has made him a millionaire, if he pursued JFK & 9-11 in the same way his income and availability would be curtailed by his intelligence masters. Doesn't MIT receive buckets of federal grants ?

Of course and MIT is filled with spooks. His "intelligence masters" have SO influenced him that he finally wrote a pro Warren Commission book some years back.
Of course he is charming, David. I met him in the early 70's. He was speaking at MIT along with Carl Oglesby...(odd coupling) ...and found him smart and compelling. I even have his books (Washington Connection and Third World Fascism, and After The Cataclysm).
So he's a charming man.
But then so is Obama.
I rest my case.

Dawn

ps David, that's ok. But now you owe me a drink, a virtual one I suppose.

Know any good cyber bars? I'll make it a double.

Obama is a glad-handing duplicitous politician - a place-man for the old buzz cut cold warrior Zbigniew Brzezinski, and his mates at the Trilateral Commission. Chomsky is unquestionably wrong about JFK and 911. I just don't buy that he is a bought and paid for gatekeeper. But that's just me.

Anyway, we'll agree to disagree over ice cold rum daiqruiri's, okay.

Some day we must do that for real. Sounds delish. And we can discuss Noam's history with his WC views. (They were once CT). Wonder what "turned" him??

[Kenneth Kapel]

Obama is a CIA-Military Industrial Complex man IMO. His sudden rise to power has been greatly aided by the crime soaked Crown family of Chicago. Lester Crown & the Pritzker family have been his supports since at least 2003, and the Crown are heavily into the so called " defense industry, via their stock holding in General Dynamics, based in Ft. Worth. Texas. Some feel that the late Henry Crown had a financial role in the JFK assassination. In 1946 Annenberg racing wire czar James Ragen told FBI Director Hoover & Attorney General Tom Clark, that the "Chicago Outfit", was bankrolled by Henry Crown & Conrad Hilton. Ragen was brought to Washington by newman Drew Pearson and three weeks after telling his tale Ragen was gunned down, allegedly by, among others, long time Jack Ruby pal Lenny Patrick. Benjamin "Bugsy" Siegel was gunned down on June 20, 1947, his killing may have had more to do with his cheating of the Chicago mob's money in regard to their "Trans-American" wire service than his skimming from the Flamingo, which was also financed, in part, by the Chicago mob.

[Jan Klimkowski]

Like David and Peter, I too have met, corresponded with and interviewed Noam Chomsky.

He gave me a key research lead for the film that became the BBC documentary The Human Laboratory, exposing Big Pharma, private foundation and USAID development and funding of unethical human trials on the poorest women in the world.

More on the The Human Laboratory, including a transcript, can be seen here.

In my judgement, the Rosetta Stone to Noam Chomsky can be seen in his pioneering linguistic work.

Understand the following passage in all its resonance, and I believe you understand Chomsky:

Chomsky first came to prominence in 1959, with the argument, detailed in a book review (but already present in his first book, published two years earlier), that contrary to the prevailing idea that children learned language by copying and by reinforcement (ie behaviourism), basic grammatical arrangements were already present at birth. The argument revolutionised the study of linguistics; it had fundamental ramifications for anyone studying the mind. It also has interesting, even troubling ramifications for his politics. If we are born with innate structures of linguistic and by extension moral thought, isn't this a kind of determinism that denies political agency? What is the point of arguing for any change at all?
"The most libertarian positions accept the same view," he answers. "That there are instincts, basic conditions of human nature that lead to a preferred social order. In fact, if you're in favour of any policy reform, revolution, stability, regression, whatever if you're at least minimally moral, it's because you think it's somehow good for people. And good for people means conforming to their fundamental nature. So whoever you are, whatever your position is, you're making some tacit assumptions about fundamental human nature … The question is: what do we strive for in developing a social order that is conducive to fundamental human needs? Are human beings born to be servants to masters, or are they born to be free, creative individuals who work with others to inquire, create, develop their own lives? I mean, if humans were totally unstructured creatures, they would be … a tool which can properly be shaped by outside forces. That's why if you look at the history of what's called radical behaviourism, [where] you can be completely shaped by outside forces when [the advocates of this] spell out what they think society ought to be, it's totalitarian."
Chomsky, now 84, has been politically engaged all his life; his first published article, in fact, was against fascism, and written when he was 10. Where does the anger come from? "I grew up in the Depression. My parents had jobs, but a lot of the family were unemployed working class, so they had no jobs at all. So I saw poverty and repression right away. People would come to the door trying to sell rags that was when I was four years old. I remember riding with my mother in a trolley car and passing a textile worker's strike where the women were striking outside and the police were beating them bloody."

[David Guyatt]

Obama is a CIA-Military Industrial Complex man IMO. His sudden rise to power has been greatly aided by the crime soaked Crown family of Chicago. Lester Crown & the Pritzker family have been his supports since at least 2003, and the Crown are heavily into the so called " defense industry, via their stock holding in General Dynamics, based in Ft. Worth. Texas. Some feel that the late Henry Crown had a financial role in the JFK assassination. In 1946 Annenberg racing wire czar James Ragen told FBI Director Hoover & Attorney General Tom Clark, that the "Chicago Outfit", was bankrolled by Henry Crown & Conrad Hilton. Ragen was brought to Washington by newman Drew Pearson and three weeks after telling his tale Ragen was gunned down, allegedly by, among others, long time Jack Ruby pal Lenny Patrick. Benjamin "Bugsy" Siegel was gunned down on June 20, 1947, his killing may have had more to do with his cheating of the Chicago mob's money in regard to their "Trans-American" wire service than his skimming from the Flamingo, which was also financed, in part, by the Chicago mob.

Kenneth, I'd be interested in seeing anything you have that definitely links Obama to Crown? My interest in te Crown family stems from Colonel Henry Crown's involvement in the black gold market.

[Kenneth Kapel]

David,
I'm not very good at posting links, but the Chicago Sun-Times and Tribune, has many referances to the Lester Crown - Barack Obama connection since the latter's run for the Unied States Senate in 2004. Mr Obama is also linked to the Pritzker family. The selection of Obama as the Democratic candidate is full of legal hanky-panky, as was the resignation of Mr. Ryan as the GOP nominee, Mr Ryan was then replaced by the cartoonish/bafoon Alan Keyes as the Republican candidate. In the 2004 election Mr. Obama won over 70% of the vote. I will post links later.

An American film from 1940, "The Great McGinty", starring Brian Donleavy & Akim Tamiroff, is a comedy drama that is based around the rise of a "bum", Donleavy, from that position to eventually becoming Mayor and then Governor of a state. The city is Chicago by the naming of street and city intersections. The Tamiroff character is called "The Boss", near the film end we fing that "The Boss", is in the concreate business, Henry Crown derived his fortune, in part, by establishing Material Service Corp, an road building service company. Thru Chicago Mayor Anton Chermak, MSC, obtained a near monopoly on all Cook County-Chicago road building contracts, Chermak was President of the Cook County Board of Commissioners before his election as Mayor in 1927, defeating 3 term GOP Mayor, William Hale "Big Bill' Thompson. Chermak was assassinated in early 1933 in Miami as he was meeting with President elect Franklin D. Roosevelt at an out day rally. The TV series "The Untouchable" produced a muti part fictional reanactment of the assassination. The "alleged" assassin was executed about a month after the slaying.

Btw in a conversation between "McGinty"(Donleavy) and "The Boss"(Tamiroff) Tamiroff tells Donlvey "In this town I'm all the (politcal) parties."
Sorry my tying is so bad.

[Kenneth Kapel]

The Crown family investing in weapons, war and.....Obama @War is A crime.org has a very good link from 2012. General Dynamics, The Crown Dynasty, and Obama, indymedia-Feb 25, 2007. CountePunch Aug 20, 2010, the Chicag Tribune Feb.1, 2008, and many more linking "our President" to the Crowns and the military industrial complex connected family.