Breaking: Explosion Reported at Boston Marathon's Finish Line

[Magda Hassan]

Suspect #2 is [we are told] still too injured [or unconscious] to talk. hutup: I'll bet the FBI/DHS/et al. are all broken up about that! angryfire

Here he is climbing out of the boat. Seems reasonably okay to me even if it hasn't been a great day for him. They are trying to say he tried to commit suicide by shooting himself twice in the neck which is the reason he cannot talk apparently....

CBS News: Dzhokhar Tsarnaev May Have Attempted Suicide Before Capture

April 20, 2013 9:29 PM

Three people were killed and more than 180 injured in the two bomb blasts near the Boston Marathon finish line.Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev leaves the boat he was hiding in April 19, 2013. (Photo courtesy: CBS News)



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Tsarnaev suffered at least two bullet wounds including one to his neck before he was arrested in Watertown, CBS News security analyst John Miller said Saturday night.
The bullet wound to the neck, which has an exit wound in the back of the 19-year-old's neck, "is very possibly a suicide attempt," said Miller, a former assistant director at the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
Miller also said the neck wound is the primary reason why Tsarnaev is unable to speak with investigators, who are hoping to interrogate the suspect to find out, among other factors, whether he and his older brother acted alone in the bombing attack on the Boston Marathon

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[Peter Lemkin]

BOSTON (AP) Tamerlan Tsarnaev ranted at a neighbor about Islam and the United States. His younger brother, Dzhokhar, relished debating people on religion, "then crushing their beliefs with facts."

The older brother sought individual glory in the boxing ring, while the younger excelled as part of a team. Tamerlan "swaggered" through the family home like a "man of the house type," one visitor recalls, while Dzhokhar seemed "very respectful and very obedient" to his mother.

The brothers, now forever linked in the Boston Marathon bombing tragedy, in some ways seemed as different as siblings could be. But whatever drove them to allegedly set off two pressure-cooker bombs, their uncle is certain Dzhokhar was not the one pulling the strings.

"He's not been understanding anything. He's a 19-year-old boy," Ruslan Tsarni said of his brother's youngest child, who is clinging to life in a Boston hospital after a gun battle with police. "He's been absolutely wasted by his older brother. I mean, he used him. He used him for whatever he's done. For what we see they've done, OK?"

Criminologist James Alan Fox says the uncle's intuition is justified. In cases like this, he says, it is highly unusual for the younger participant in this case, a sibling to be the leader.

"I would be surprised," says Fox, the Lipman Professor of Criminology, Law and Public Policy at Boston's Northeastern University. "Very surprised."

Whatever their fraternal pecking order, when the bullets began flying in Watertown on Thursday night and 26-year-old Tamerlan went down, his younger brother ran him over dragging him for about 30 feet before ditching the car and fleeing on foot. After a 24-hour manhunt that shut down most of the Boston metropolitan area, police cornered the gravely wounded Dzhokhar hiding in a boat in a backyard only blocks from where his brother bled out.

Officials said Dzhokhar was in serious condition Saturday, unable to communicate. So, at least for now, investigators and the public are left with only enigma.

The ethnic Chechen family came to this country in 2002, after fleeing troubles in Kyrgyzstan and then Dagestan, a predominantly Muslim republic in Russia's North Caucasus. They settled in a working-class part of Cambridge, where father Anzor Tsarnaev opened an auto shop.

He returned to Dagestan about a year ago.

Luis Vasquez, a youth activist and candidate for the Cambridge City Council, went to high school with Tamerlan and later helped coach Dzhokhar's soccer team at Cambridge Rindge and Latin. With the father gone, Vasquez said the older brother assumed a kind of paternal role, at least where the girls in the family were concerned.

"He was very protective of his (younger) sister, Bella," Vasquez said. "He would keep an eye out, making sure she's good, making sure she's not having a hard time."

Vasquez chalked it up to "his culture" and "what his family expected out of him."

David Mijares, who trained in boxing with Tamerlan in high school and later coached the younger brother in soccer, says his friend opened up about his hardships in Russia. He agreed that Tamerlan felt pressure to be the man of the house.

"He had to be a man at a very early age," says Mijares, who himself considered Tamerlan a mentor. "That would be, in my opinion, a huge reason for who he was, all serious and no nonsense."

That said, Dzhokhar was very much his own man. While he would tag along to Tamerlan's boxing practices, the younger brother was into wrestling.

In one of his tweets, he complained that his mother was trying to arrange a marriage for him, as she'd done for his sisters.

"she needs to (hash)chillout," he tweeted on July 12. "i'll find my own honey."

Tamerlan preceded his brother at the prestigious Cambridge Rindge and Latin High School, which counts celebrities Matt Damon and Ben Affleck among its alumni. But he does not appear to have been a standout student and athlete whose reputation Dzhokhar would have felt pressure to live up to.

"To be perfectly honest, I did not know he HAD an older brother from the start," said classmate Alexandros Stefanakis, who played pickup basketball games and hung out with Dzhokar outside school.

Anne Kilzer of Belmont would go to the Tsarnaev home for regular facials from the boys' mother, Zubeidat. She said the older brother was a "macho guy," whereas Dzhokhar seemed more cerebral.

The few times that Tamerlan was there, he would wave his mother off when she tried to introduce him. "He sort of swaggered through," she said. "Sort of a man-of-the-house type."

In a blog entry, Kilzer's daughter, Alyssa, suggested that the mother became increasingly religious as their acquaintance progressed. For instance, she began wearing a hijab, the traditional Muslim headscarf.

"She started to refuse to see boys that had gone through puberty, as she had consulted a religious figure and he had told her it was sacrilegious," Alyssa Kilzer wrote. "She was often fasting. She told me that she had cried for days when her oldest son, Tamerlan, told her that he wanted to move out, going against her culture's tradition of the son staying in the house with the mother until marriage."

She said the mother also expressed some rather strident views about the U.S. government. But it was difficult to know who was influencing whom in the household.

"During this facial session she started quoting a conspiracy theory, telling me that she thought 9-11 was purposefully created by the American government to make America hate Muslims," Kilzer wrote. "'It's real,' she said. 'My son knows all about it. You can read on the internet.'"

Kilzer didn't say to which son the mother was referring. Kilzer was studying in Scotland and could not immediately be reached.

Tsarni told The Associated Press from his home in Maryland that a deep rift opened between him and his sister-in-law, but that he tried to maintain a relationship with the boys. However, that effort began to fall apart several years ago, he said, when Tamerlan "started carrying all this nonsense associated with religion, with Islamic religion."

When he asked his older nephew why he wasn't in school, he said Tamerlan gave an enigmatic answer. "Oh, I'm in God's business," the young man replied.

Tamerlan would throw out foreign words like "jihad" and "Inshallah" Arabic for "God willing" without really understanding their meaning, he said. Though Tsarni is himself Muslim, he said he does not worship at a mosque.

The uncle was surprised when he learned that Tamerlan had gotten married to an American woman a "good Christian family girl," who his nephew said was about to convert to Islam.

In February, Alexander Podobryaev, who lives a couple of houses from the Tsarnaevs, exchanged pleasantries with Tamerlan as they shoveled snow. He says the man pointed to a woman in a black Muslim headscarf and identified her as his wife.

Others began noticing signs of Tamerlan's increasing agitation.

One of the brothers' neighbors, Albrecht Ammon, said he had a bizarre encounter with Tamerlan in a pizza shop about three months ago. The older brother argued with him about U.S. foreign policy, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and religion.

He said Tamerlan referred to the Bible as a "cheap copy" of the Quran, and that many of this country's wars "are based upon the Bible how it's an excuse to invade other countries."

"He had nothing against the American people," Ammon said. "He had something against the American government."

Dzhokhar, on the other hand, was "real cool," Ammon said. "A chill guy."

While his older brother was railing about religion and world politics, Dzhokhar seemed more interested in the HBO series "Game of Thrones" and other television shows.

"Breaking Bad taught me how to dispose of a corpse," he tweeted on Jan. 16, referring to the popular AMC series about a dying chemistry teacher who turns to cooking methamphetamine to leave a nest egg for his family.

He did tweet about religion, but they were hardly the words of a hard-core zealot.

"This night deserves Hennessy a bad b---- and an o of weed," he wrote on Nov. 17. "the holy trinity"

On Nov. 29, he wrote: "I kind of like religious debates, just hearing what other people believe is interesting and then crushing their beliefs with facts is fun." And on Jan. 15: "I don't argue with fools who say Islam is terrorism it's not worth a thing, let an idiot remain an idiot."

However, he acknowledged in another message around Christmas that the "Brothers at the mosque either think I'm a convert or that I'm from Algeria or Syria."

Fox said it's not unheard of for the younger person in a crime team to be the dominant personality. But he said it's rare.

"In this case, the older brother is the one that seems to have become religious and drawn to Islam," Fox said. "The older brother dropped out of school ... whereas the younger brother, it was all positives."

But, he said, "the age factor is critical here."

Tamerlan was a fairly gifted boxer, but preened about fighting prowess that often fell far short. His younger brother seemed content to be part of a team.

Marvin Salazar was two years older than Dzhokhar when they attended Community Charter Schools of Cambridge, where they played intramural soccer together. He was impressed by the younger boy's smarts and drive, but noted that while Dzhokhar was very fast, he wasn't the kind of kid who needed to showboat and score goals.

"I remember he told me he liked to play midfield," the 21-year-old said. "He's the guy who sets everybody up for the plays. He's one of the most important people."

He was also on his high school wrestling team.

Tamerlan once said he had no American friends. His brother had lots of them, but fellow students at UMass-Dartmouth say he had increasingly taken to hanging out with other Russians.

On March 14, 2012, Dzhokhar tweeted: "a decade in america already, i want out" That same day, he added, "im trying to grow a beard"

Dzhokhar became naturalized last September, federal officials told the AP. His older brother had a green card but may have been thwarted in his quest for U.S. citizenship by an assault charge, his father told The New York Times.

If Tamerlan recorded his thoughts, they have not yet surfaced at least publicly. His bother left a trail on the Internet, although in an Aug. 7, 2012 tweet, he called himself a "heavy sleeper and a great liar"

In March, Dzhokhar tweeted: "Evil triumphs when good men do nothing." A week and a half earlier, he reminded his followers, "Never underestimate the rebel with a cause."

The day of the bombing, he wrote: "There are people that know the truth but stay silent & there are people that speak the truth but we don't hear them cuz they're the minority"

Tsarni is confident authorities will find that Tamerlan was his younger brother's "mentor."

"Dzhokhar, of course, was looking up at him," he said.

But their body language the day of the bombings seems to suggest at least a partnership of equals.

In one of the now infamous photos the FBI released to the public in hopes of tips, the older brother has his head down, the visor pulled low over his face as if he's trying to hide. Dzhokhar, by contrast, has his white baseball cap turned backwards, revealing his entire face, his chin is thrust confidently into the air.

My Note: If they are trying to paint the older brother or both as Jihadists, they certainly are of the Mohammad Atta variety - women, drugs, alcohol, sport, money, the high life.....and we now know how Atta was connected to intelligence of several countries.

[Magda Hassan]

Images can be seen at the link. I note that Diaz is not a Chechen name....

Friends of accused Boston bomber taken into custody in New Bedford, Mass.

Azmat and Diaz as they're known to their neighbors were cuffed and hauled out of their apartment shortly before 4 p.m. on Saturday.

BY IRIVING DEJOHN , JOE KEMP AND RICH SCHAPIRO / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

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UPDATED: SATURDAY, APRIL 20, 2013, 11:25 PM

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The vanity plate on the front of the suspects' BMW SUV reads "TERRORISTA #1.

Two foreign nationals who are believed to be associates of the alleged Boston Marathon bombers were arrested Saturday on immigration violations, authorities said.
The men, identified by neighbors as 19-year-olds from Kazakhstan, drove around in a black BMW with the mock license plate, "TERROISTA #1."

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Federal agents remove the man named Diaz (in gray hoodie) from his home in New Beford, Mass. The man is thought to be a good friend of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.

RELATED: DZHOKHAR TSARNAEV PARTIED, WENT TO GYM DAYS AFTER BOMBING
The pair was hauled out of their New Bedford apartment in handcuffs about 3:50 p.m. The raid was carried out by Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents, a spokesman told the Daily News.

SAM COSTANZA FOR NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

This BMW belonging to one of the two men arrested Saturday in New Bedford. The vehicle was thoroughly searched by the authorities.

"These individuals were arrested on administrative immigration violations," spokesman Ross Feinstein said in a terse statement.

SAM COSTANZA FOR NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

Federal agents remove the man named Azmat from his apartment on Carriage Dr. in New Beford, Mass. The man is thought to be a good friend of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.

Agents also escorted a woman out of the home and placed her in a vehicle with diplomatic plates. [bolding MH]
The three were taken into custody Friday evening but let go early Saturday. What led authorities to them was unclear, but their car's license plate had raised eyebrows on their quiet block near the University of Massachusetts at Dartmouth, where Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is a student.

SAM COSTANZA FOR NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

The entire complex was locked down for several hours yesterday. The vanity plate on the front of the vehicle shared by the two men arrested reads "Terrorista #1,' and an expletive-filled bumper sticker was posted on the car's rear.

RELATED: BOSTON MARATHON BOMBING SUSPECT IN SERIOUS CONDITION' AT HOSPITAL
Federal agents scoured the car Friday night, neighbors said.
"It was like out of a movie," said a neighbor who identified herself as Jean. "I wondered how 19-year-olds could afford a BMW."
A 70-year-old resident called the men who neighbors identified as Azmat and Diaz "great neighbors." "I've never had a problem," she said. "They're real peaches."



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[Peter Lemkin]

CBS News Special Report: During the late night shootout that ended in his death, Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev threw a pressure cooker bomb at police. John Miller reports.

[Magda Hassan]

CBS News Special Report: During the late night shootout that ended in his death, Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev threw a pressure cooker bomb at police. John Miller reports.

His hands look fully intact in the morgue photo I have seen. If it is the same person and it seems to be. They are saying the 'bomb' blew up too.

[Jan Klimkowski]

First thing to say, and repeat, is that this was an atrocity.

An atrocity.

It is incumbent upon us all to ensure that the real culprits are the ones who are brought to justice.

The Chechen-American brothers are the official suspects, and all the evidence needs to be tested.

As this thread demonstrates, there are already major inconsistencies in the evidence presented to identify the brothers as the perpetrators of this atrocity.

On currently available evidence, Scott Creighton's conclusion below cannot be ruled out, especially given the entirely normal behaviour of the younger brother in the days following the bombing.

6. Conclusion

Could the FBI have green-lighted the Tsarnaev brothers as potential dupes just like they have to so many other young men in the recent past and then had their CI set them up to take the fall for this staged mass casualty event?

All it would have taken would be for the CI to call up Tamerlan and invite him and his brother to a late lunch downtown. Told them to meet him near the finish line at a certain time. That's it. And there they are.

When you look at what he is saying, about knowing someone was influencing the young man, and you look at what the FBI did during the investigation and their history of setting people up as fall guys for their own plots and plans, you have to come away with at least a strong suspicion that these two men were handled by an FBI CI and brought to their destiny with destruction to serve a certain role in all of this.
Boston Bombing: Craft International Trained Men at Bombing Location Before Attack

Craft International operatives were in position waiting but what they needed was a patsy much like the ones the FBI is so good at creating. And after all, it's the FBI who will be investigating anyway.

So when the spotters on the roofs confirmed the Tsarnaev brothers had arrived, the operation was set in motion.

The FBI distanced themselves from the two at the start by pretending to need us to identify the boys and as soon as the mother mentioned they had known them, they had a press release ready to go as if they just remembered. This behavior in itself is more than incriminating.

And now that we have confirmation from the belligerent uncle that mysterious "mentors" were guiding and using the boys, I don't think we can come to any other conclusion than the FBI sent those boys there to take the blame.

[Peter Lemkin]

Suspect #2 is [we are told] still too injured [or unconscious] to talk. hutup: I'll bet the FBI/DHS/et al. are all broken up about that! angryfire

Here he is climbing out of the boat. Seems reasonably okay to me even if it hasn't been a great day for him. They are trying to say he tried to commit suicide by shooting himself twice in the neck which is the reason he cannot talk apparently....

CBS News: Dzhokhar Tsarnaev May Have Attempted Suicide Before Capture

April 20, 2013 9:29 PM


Three people were killed and more than 180 injured in the two bomb blasts near the Boston Marathon finish line.Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev leaves the boat he was hiding in April 19, 2013. (Photo courtesy: CBS News)



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Tsarnaev suffered at least two bullet wounds including one to his neck before he was arrested in Watertown, CBS News security analyst John Miller said Saturday night.
The bullet wound to the neck, which has an exit wound in the back of the 19-year-old's neck, "is very possibly a suicide attempt," said Miller, a former assistant director at the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
Miller also said the neck wound is the primary reason why Tsarnaev is unable to speak with investigators, who are hoping to interrogate the suspect to find out, among other factors, whether he and his older brother acted alone in the bombing attack on the Boston Marathon

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How convenient to be shot in the neck. Not a very popular place to shoot oneself when attempting suicide with the head much more popular.....everything sounds fishy to me.....

[Jan Klimkowski]

We rarely know what deals have been cut between competing states. I, for one, never expected Russia to become part of G8 - or as it used to be before they joined, G7. This is the ruling economic strategy group.

And speaking personally, I still can't entirely disconnect what we now see happening around the world, with the growing likelihood of complete economic collapse. I can well imagine if such a thing were to happen, for martial law to be imposed.

Yes.

Economic collapse, whether in individual nation states or via a rapid domino effect, will require martial law.

This is the real wildcard.

All those fist-pumping, "U-S-A" chanting, numpties celebrating full martial law must make TPTB grin with pure contempt.

[Peter Lemkin]

First thing to say, and repeat, is that this was an atrocity.

An atrocity.

It is incumbent upon us all to ensure that the real culprits are the ones who are brought to justice.

The Chechen-American brothers are the official suspects, and all the evidence needs to be tested.

As this thread demonstrates, there are already major inconsistencies in the evidence presented to identify the brothers as the perpetrators of this atrocity.

On currently available evidence, Scott Creighton's conclusion below cannot be ruled out, especially given the entirely normal behaviour of the younger brother in the days following the bombing.

6. Conclusion

Could the FBI have green-lighted the Tsarnaev brothers as potential dupes just like they have to so many other young men in the recent past and then had their CI set them up to take the fall for this staged mass casualty event?

All it would have taken would be for the CI to call up Tamerlan and invite him and his brother to a late lunch downtown. Told them to meet him near the finish line at a certain time. That's it. And there they are.

When you look at what he is saying, about knowing someone was influencing the young man, and you look at what the FBI did during the investigation and their history of setting people up as fall guys for their own plots and plans, you have to come away with at least a strong suspicion that these two men were handled by an FBI CI and brought to their destiny with destruction to serve a certain role in all of this.
Boston Bombing: Craft International Trained Men at Bombing Location Before Attack

Craft International operatives were in position waiting but what they needed was a patsy much like the ones the FBI is so good at creating. And after all, it's the FBI who will be investigating anyway.

So when the spotters on the roofs confirmed the Tsarnaev brothers had arrived, the operation was set in motion.

The FBI distanced themselves from the two at the start by pretending to need us to identify the boys and as soon as the mother mentioned they had known them, they had a press release ready to go as if they just remembered. This behavior in itself is more than incriminating.

And now that we have confirmation from the belligerent uncle that mysterious "mentors" were guiding and using the boys, I don't think we can come to any other conclusion than the FBI sent those boys there to take the blame.

Still, one would have to explain their having weapons to carjack and fight with police with...if either/both of those events ever took place as we have been told....

[Magda Hassan]

Still, one would have to explain their having weapons to carjack and fight with police with...if either/both of those events ever took place as we have been told....

Well, we haven't seen anything that would indicate this. All their friends and family say it is out of character. We have seen no video of them putting any back packs down in either location just photos of them around the area along with thousands of other people and several others who were acting suspiciously. We have seen zero footage of any of the 'fire fight' and get away car. The 711 is bogus. What else is?