New Film on TWA-800 Crash weeks away from release. Truthful Investigation or MLH?

[Albert Doyle]

It is a pretty significant schism from some of the main investigators that never happened in the Kennedy Assassination. They are a little too obsequious, but that's because they are insiders asking their superiors to take a look at their own corruption. The hens are asking the foxes to examine their doings in the hen house.


There's a couple of prima facie examples of forensic evidence there like the splatter found across the outside of the center fuel tank that was laid down before the tank exploded. And the mach 4 asymmetrical ejecta that conforms perfectly to a missile impacting from the port side and exploding in the continuing direction.



I wish the tall white haired man, Mike Wire, told the viewers about the bridge shaking violently. A fuel explosion can't shake a bridge at 20 miles and is also prima facie evidence of high explosive.

[Albert Doyle]

It's dawning on me that CNN has taken a very dirty path in its recent Anderson Cooper piece on Flight 800. What it did was repeat the lies of its 2006 10th anniversary program in order to pre-empt the new evidence coming up next month in the documentary. It just struck me that what CNN is doing is trying to pose as having dealt with the new documentary a month in advance without ever having addressed any of the evidence in that new documentary. When the documentary comes out what CNN will do is ignore it and say we already answered it last month. Of course, they did nothing of the sort and never addressed a single piece of the condemning evidence.


Not surprising they would try a cheap ruse like this with the Bush-voting philistine degenerates they call the American public.

[Jerry Ellis]

I lived on Long Island when Flight 800 happened.

Very shortly after the incident happened and news as just coming through, Long Island Newsday had included some interesting information in one of the first articles. They quoted someone hearing a story from a Bartender who served a fellow that claimed to have a cousin in the navy at the time. Apparently this navy guy was all out of sorts because he said he accidentally sent a missile into that aircraft. It was mentioned that he was distraught enough to have been taken away probably not for his condition but to keep him quiet. That information disappeared very quickly and was not repeated. I don't remember all of the mention in the paper very well but that was the gist of the item.

I remember that incident very well as I lived in the same county at the time and was trying to sign up for Amateur Radio Emergency Services as I had a ham license. The guy i contacted didn't respond to me fast enough and I sat there for a week or so sulking while my ham friends were out there assisting with emergency communications as we do. I caught up with it all later on and we got involved in many public events like marathons as training coordination.. But i missed Flight 800. It was chaos with all the emergency groups out there. they moved in many mules, which are portable cell towers that are used for such emergency situations. Those cell towers loaded up very fast. One of our guys was standing there talking to the headquarters that they set up for this incident and an FBI guy was standing next to him. He said "hey, who are you talking to?" He said "the command post". "Can you get through with some inquiries for me" "sure" and we made a bit of history and scored a lot of points with the local authorities with that incident.

Anyway I wonder if anyone has the resources to search Newsday newspaper for that stuff that i read. If i remember it requires a paid subscription. I am sure its there, if my memory is correct and it was in print. I know i heard the story from a friend and remember reading a version of that in the paper right away. Not vouching for its authenticy, i just remember the incident where the bartender remembers hearing this from a patron. I guess news reporters spend time in taverns covering those events :-)

All i remember from the whole thing after it was over and talking to people I can say most people on LI don't believe the standard explanation.

[Charles Drago]

They quoted someone hearing a story from a Bartender who served a fellow that claimed to have a cousin in the navy at the time. Apparently this navy guy was all out of sorts because he said he accidentally sent a missile into that aircraft. It was mentioned that he was distraught enough to have been taken away probably not for his condition but to keep him quiet. That information disappeared very quickly and was not repeated.

Interesting, and perhaps even true. Thanks for posting, Jerry.

But this report smells like a disinformation ruse designed to flood the system with confusingly contradictory stories and thus manufacture the cognitive dissonance from which doubt and resignation arise.

All i remember from the whole thing after it was over and talking to people I can say most people on LI don't believe the standard explanation.

Nor do most intelligent, well-informed people on the planet.

[Phil Dragoo]

The extant case clearly a small boat with a shoulder-fired missile, which boat then seen on radar plot as the sole craft hastily exiting as all others converged to offer assistance.

The CIA animation as helpful as the Magic Bullet.

The year after, 1997, a U.S. Navy officer and Canadian officer in a helicopter surveilling the Russian Kapitan Man by the Puget Sound boomer base lased, temporarily blinded. U.S. officer given the O'Neill treatment (The Man Who Knew)

The year before, 1995, OKCBomb the bizarre confluence of Andreas Karl Strassmeier of German military intelligence, Jayna Davis' Iraqi veteran, Dennis Mahon FBI informant said to have taught McVeigh and Nichols about their toy.

The year of TWA 800 the tragic mistake by Ron Brown's pilot of a mountain for the destination air base facilitated by theft of airbase beacon and suicide of air base commander, and the Mystery of the Hole in Ron Brown's Head which had Dick Gregory in the street in front of the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology.

On the heels of the Weaver-Waco blitzkriegs ("COPS on donut high going Rambo" meets "Janet Reno as Colonel Rosa Klebb")

The center fuel tank explosion was defended to me by the son of a retired high-level officer, the former a licensed pilot.

Those explosions leave that residue on a bank of seats which has an uncanny resemblance to missile fuel.

But with the cartoon we can all return to another fabulous season of Big Brother--

--get it, Big Brother isn't that fearsome, cruel tyrant but a bunch of wild and crazy sex-crazed hard bodies pushing the limits of the ris-kay

Relax: your life is safe and secure thanks to the National Transportation Safety Board and the Homeland Security Agency

Our motto: "Citizens harrassed; bad guys not so much"

[Magda Hassan]

Official damage control wheeled out to delegitimise the new movie.

NTSB Clears Up TWA 800 Conspiracy Theory

FEATURE: Investigators explain 17-year-old explosion of Paris-bound flight. Again.

The recovered wreckage of TWA Flight 800 / AP

BY: Bill McMorris
July 3, 2013 9:00 am
Seventeen years ago, a Paris-bound TWA flight with 230 people on board exploded in mid-air in full view of New York City residents. The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) opened its doors on Tuesday to the press for a refresher course on what happened on that summer evening.
EPIX, a neophyte cable channel hungry for some fresh content, will mark the July 17 anniversary of the crash by airing a documentary created by former NTSB investigator Hank Hughes and independent investigator Tom Stalcup that claims that a missile brought the fated flight down. The pair filed a petition urging the NTSB to reopen the matter in June. The NTSB has 90 days to respond, according to spokeswoman Kelly Nantel.
Investigators from six countries, 19 federal agencies, two aviation companies and two labor unions retrieved 5,000 pieces of evidence from the Atlantic. Two agencies, the National Transportation Safety Board and FBI, conducted exhaustive investigations into the cause of the crash of Flight 800, as well as possible terrorism. The FBI ruled out terrorism in 1997.
Three years later the NTSB revealed in a 400-page report that the crash was likely caused by a short circuit that ignited fuel vapors in the center wing tank, which delivers excess heat from air conditioning units out of the plane. The explosion, which occurred 11 minutes into the flight, separated the nose of the plane from the cabin, lifting it into the air before bursting into flames and nose-diving into the ocean.
Joseph M. Kolly, director of the NTSB Research and Engineering division, delivered a PowerPoint presentation outlining the contents of the report, as well as several rebuttals to Hughes and Stalcup's claims.
The NTSB spent four years considering possible suspects in the case, everything from missiles to meteors to lightning to electric pulse.
"Did you think you'd still be doing this today?" a reporter asked.
"No, no I didn't," Kolly said. "There is no evidence of high energy penetration [missile strike] … it's very clear to us that this was a central wing tank explosion and not anything else."
Kolly was cool and methodical as he paced the auditorium and delivered the familiar facts of the case. His colleague, NTSB senior aviation safety investigator Bob Swaim, was a bit more fiery as he refuted claims about explosive residue found on several pieces of wreckagecontaminated by FBI and military personnel during the recovery processand explained electrical components to a room full of communications degrees.
NTSB staff then led reporters down to the hangar to see what was left of the plane.
Jim Hurb, a 67-year-old mechanic from rural Maryland, approached the plane slowly with Matthew Ziemkiewicz at his side. Hurb's son, Jamie, 29, was taking a vacation to Paris, and he was assisted onto the flight by a young stewardess named Jill Ziemkiewicz.
"It's just evident to me that this explosion happened internally; it's pure physics," Hurb said.
"The NTSB has been exceptional to family members and I'm here today to show them support," Ziemkiewicz said. "We have to close the curtain on all of this [conspiracy] nonsense.
The pair wanted to see the wreckage up close, eyeing a gaping hole just behind the right wing's emergency exit. Just behind the twisted, wretched metal stood the frame of a seat. They exited the hangar shortly afterward.
"Hey, Bob thanks for ruining your afternoon to talk about the Internet's oldest conspiracy theory," a veteran scribe told Swaim. "It's like refighting the Korean War."
There were no Truthers or tinfoil hats in the NTSB parking lot, just a respectable-looking physicist and a pensioner holding court before some reporters, guided along by Ira Arlook of major liberal PR firm Fenton Communications. When Fenton is not busy representing radical environmentalist and gay groups, MoveOn.org, and the AFL-CIO, it is evidently peddling conspiracy theories.
"We're investigating the accident, not ascribing motives. This isn't a conspiracy theory," Hughes said. "This is a matter of integrity; it is my obligation to the American people and the 230 people who lost their lives to bring out the truth."
The truth, he said, was that a missile detonated just outside the left wing of the plane. The federal government covered it up. Hughes has known that since 1997, though that did not stop him from continuing to work for the NTSB until 2010. He is now using his federal pension to finance the documentary.
While Hughes was on the ground investigating, Tom Stalcup was getting a Ph.D in physics from Florida State University. Stalcup also insists that this is not a conspiracy theory. Just look at the evidence.
The NTSB report only looked at one type of missile explosion; the body of the plane never ascended; the radar data shows a high velocity explosion even if it didn't show any naval battleships in the area.
"So why'd you get involved," I asked him.
"Well when I saw the CIA was involved …" he said.
An energetic woman stood behind blurting out "they didn't show you the left side of the plane!" to another reporter. Her name is Kristina Borjesson and she's the documentarian of the group, an Emmy award winning reporter pre-Flight 800. She lost her job at CBS and later had a pilot she was working on with Oliver Stone cancelled by ABC because of her dogged pursuit of the story.
"Strange things started happening; my car was broken into, my computer was stolen," she said. "The FBI came to CBS and demanded a piece of evidence that they said was stolen. It wasn't stolen; it was given to me by a source who got it from someone at the scene."
Stalcup was lecturing a reporter to my right about other odd happenings in the aftermath of Flight 800: "the hangars [where they assembled the wreckage] were being broken into at wee hours of the night. Evidence was stolen."
The crux of the NTSB presentation was a recreation that showed a model of the explosion. A spark with one-tenth the power of a static shock set the miniaturized central tank ablaze, blowing out the front of the model in less than a second. Then a message popped up: WARNING: you are now running on reserve power.
"We have a second animation in slow motion," Kolly said.
Nantel clicked to the next slide. Then the screen went blue.
A dozen thoughts rushed to my head: It's suspect that we couldn't observe this alleged sequence in slow motion; it's convenient that the computer died at that exact moment; it's odd that the NTSB would go to all this trouble, drag all these journalists down to here to discuss fatal electrical short circuits and not take precautions against electrical problems.

But then, sometimes you just forget to bring a plug. A staffer retrieved one. The slideshow came back on. And I watched an explosion in slow motion.

[Albert Doyle]

CNN did exactly what I predicted. When the documentary came out they ignored it and used the pre-emptive rehash of their 10th anniversary program as cover. They never once addressed any of the points of evidence in the documentary.


Time to take both CNN and CIA down.

[Albert Doyle]

The American Government continues to march naked on the world stage. While the evidence sits there unaddressed in the new TWA 800 documentary the American Government thinks it can ignore it in broad daylight and still possess credibility. Keep in mind that the fascists who have seized our government don't need credibility to conduct themselves. They just need power. And the knuckleheads of which the American public consists don't need credibility either because they've been given a deal they can live with.


Uncle Sam is a mad nudist enjoying flaunting his privates to the rest of the world. No codpiece. No shame...

[Peter Lemkin]

Very disturbing weapon system described here by one who tested it...and thinks it may have been used on TWA-800

http://www.brasscheck.com/OKBOMB/conrod.html

[David Guyatt]

Very disturbing weapon system described here by one who tested it...and thinks it may have been used on TWA-800

http://www.brasscheck.com/OKBOMB/conrod.html

Wasn't it General Partin who provided info on the OK bombing, and was likewise ignored?