New Film on TWA-800 Crash weeks away from release. Truthful Investigation or MLH?

[Peter Lemkin]

[My note - what worries me most is those entities touting the film...CNN, Fox and such like......be suspicious!]

An unreleased documentary on the 1996 TWA Flight 800 explosion offers "solid proof that there was an external detonation," its co-producer said Wednesday.

"Of course, everyone knows about the eyewitness statements, but we also have corroborating information from the radar data, and the radar data shows a(n) asymmetric explosion coming out of that plane -- something that didn't happen in the official theory," Tom Stalcup told CNN's "New Day."

A number of people have come forward, "all saying the same thing: that there was an external force -- not from the center wing tank, there's no evidence of that -- but there is evidence of an external explosion that brought down that plane," Stalcup said.

He cited "corroborating information from the radar data" and complained that "not one single eyewitness was allowed to testify -- that's unheard of."
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The film's producers are submitting a petition -- signed by "many" former investigators -- asking for the National Transportation Safety Board to reopen its investigation, based on new evidence offered by the documentary, Stalcup said.

"The family members need to know what happened to their loved ones," he said.

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Skeptics have long theorized that TWA Flight 800 was brought down by sinister forces.

They include Hank Hughes, who served as a senior accident investigator with the NTSB and helped reconstruct the aircraft. Others include Bob Young, a TWA investigator who participated in the investigation, and Jim Speer, an accident investigator for the Airline Pilots Association.

"These investigators were not allowed to speak to the public or refute any comments made by their superiors and/or NTSB and FBI officials about their work at the time of the official investigation," a news release announcing the documentary said.

"They waited until after retirement to reveal how the official conclusion by the (NTSB) was falsified and lay out their case."

The documentary, "TWA Flight 800," will premiere July 17, the 17th anniversary of the crash.

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[David Guyatt]

As I remember it, the theory going around at the time was about a missile strike.

Yep, you're right Pete. Big time TV stations trail doco programmes that sound revelatory and great, but turn out to be remarkably mainstream and tedious.

We'll see.

[Jan Klimkowski]

Faux News loves a good terrorist yarn.

Invoking the War On Terror gives their anchors a righteous hard on.

They've never once nailed the real terrorists though.....

[Albert Doyle]

I've read a lot on this case. In 2006 I watched CNN broadcast 2 hours of pure lies giving the government center fuel tank explosion version.


Stalcup is a physicist. He found radar tapes showing ejecta exiting the starboard side of TWA 800 at mach 4. Impossible for a 300 foot per second fuel explosion.


Ironworker Mike Wire was working on the steel superstructure of highway bridge 20 miles from the point where TWA 800 exploded. He told investigators the shockwave from the blast shook the bridge violently. Some smart researchers saw his testimony and realized a 300 foot per second fuel explosion was scientifically incapable of violently shaking a bridge at 20 miles. 2000 foot per second missile warhead ordnance was quite capable however. FBI lied about an interview they claimed they did with Wire where they reversed this witnessing. Wire protested he never gave any such interview.


One of the hangar investigators saw that no real investigation was being done. He contacted ex detective and private eye James Sanders. The investigator took some samples of a strange reddish purple residue that stained a row of seats in a streak. An outside laboratory tested this substance as PETN - a chemical used in rocket propellants. Sanders was arrested and FBI went after his wife too. CBS News caved and gave its samples of this residue over to FBI. FBI came back and claimed the substance was seat glue. One problem however, the NASA scientist FBI credited with testing the substance as glue wrote a letter of protest saying he never did any such test. CBS's Kristina Borjesson tried to expose this scandal. CBS fired her.


The Long Island coroner in whose jurisdiction the shootdown occurred found many strange metal pellets in some of the victims. When tested they proved to be composed of metals not found in Boeing 747 construction (meaning they had to have come from something other than the plane) Tests of the metal in these pellets revealed they contained the exact same metals found in US missile warhead shrapnel. FBI recorded over 30 pages on this in the investigation. When MIT professor Graeme Sephton sued FBI in a Boston federal court FBI said they couldn't locate the documents. The judge ruled that although FBI acted poorly he was finding in their favor and against Sephton. FBI never returned those pellets to the Long Island coroner as required by law.


The angle of attack sensor is a weather vane-type device on the side of the aircraft that tells the flight computer which way the air is flowing across the fuselage. Upon studying the Flight Data Recorder's input from the angle of attack sensor investigators found a quick registration of an external blast from below the aircraft and back to forward flight within the perfect period of an explosion. When confronted with the evidence officials said the severing of the cockpit wires created unreliable data.


Fred Meyer was a National Guard helicopter pilot on a training mission during the crash. He said his many hours flying helicopters over the Iron Triangle in VietNam made him very familiar with ordnance explosions. Meyer said he witnessed a flare-like streaking object go from right to left and impact Flight 800 with a brilliant high explosive flash. The investigation ignored his witnessing.

[Tracy Riddle]

I've always felt that an unarmed surface-to-air missile fired by a Navy ship accidentally locked onto the airliner rather than its intended drone target, and took the plane out. The government would never want to admit to it, let alone pay millions to the families and the airline.

[Albert Doyle]

I've always felt that an unarmed surface-to-air missile fired by a Navy ship accidentally locked onto the airliner rather than its intended drone target, and took the plane out. The government would never want to admit to it, let alone pay millions to the families and the airline.

There's some intense nebulousness associated with this. It is possible some national security branch was deliberately testing their defense weaponry close to heavy air traffic to refine preventing a terrorist strike on US commercial airliners. You need to read Peter Lance's book Cover-Up to see what the 9-11 Commission didn't tell you about Islamic terrorist attacks on US airliners. Beware of Lance however because he plants the conclusion that Flight 800 was taken down by one of Ramsey Yousef's ingenious bombs. I think Lance might by using some very credible inside information as a limited hang-out in order to do disinformation against the missile cause. Also, Jack Cashill's book First Strike exposes a lot of the evidence. Cashill suggests it was an Al Qaeda suicide aircraft loaded with explosives seeking an El Al 747 out of Kennedy that was being shot at by the Navy.

You have to understand the US shot down an Iranian commercial jet with the USS Vincennes not too long before so it was not in the mood to look like international goofs shooting down not only another commercial jet full of civilians, but one of their own to boot. Whatever the cause, there's no doubt TWA Flight 800 was shot down by missiles. The best website is the Association of Retired Airline Pilots (ARAP) website. These are not unserious people with unserious credentials. Their site is a compendium of missile shootdown evidence.


A coup happened tonight on CNN. I just watched CNN anchor John King interview NTSB investigator Hank Hughes who came forward and said lies were told about the cause of the crash and that they found evidence of a missile shootdown that was covered-up. He also said they caught FBI personnel illegally removing crash evidence from the investigation hangar. King then allowed New York FBI head James Kallstrom to come on unopposed with another round of Orwellian doublespeak about the accusations. If CNN was really impartial they would have let one of many seriously credible persons from groups like FIRO and ARAP, as well as many many other experts like journalist Jack Cashill who could have cut Kallstrom's deflections to shreds. Instead Kallstrom was allowed to have the unopposed last word. CNN (which is really CIA News) has the nerve to reduce the dialogue to a simple-minded American living room level when some of the things Kallstrom tried to get away with could have been quickly destroyed. Kallstrom tried to say that the FBI agents who were caught by the Long Island police illegally removing wreckage "Were part of the thousand FBI agents involved. Whatever they were doing, it was part of a serious investigation." Well, Kallstrom treats the American CNN viewer like idiots because there's a lot more to it than that. The investigators who caught the FBI removing those parts identified them as parts showing signs of missile damage. Not only that, those investigators said FBI never came around in the early morning hours and the only time they did was when they committed the crimes in question. Furthermore Kallstrom isn't afraid to insult the intelligence of CNN's viewers because Kallstrom's own federal laws require any investigator to log exactly what they removed. So when he said "Whatever they did, when we find out we'll see it was done for serious purposes." Nice try James. Your own job description says you are required to know what they did by law.


Kallstrom has real balls because James Sanders, who had to smuggle evidence out to prove missile evidence, was arrested under the same airline crash wreckage removal laws he is presently ignoring with his own men.



Here is CNN trying their usual damage control even when caught. I think it is fitting Flight 800 flew out of 'JFK' Airport:



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[Peter Lemkin]

Was anyone or anything on that flight that would have been an interesting target of convenience? I love the way 'investigations' are done in the USA. A small group sits around and decides what the conclusion should be; then tells those investigating to go forth and 'make it so'. :gossip:

[David Guyatt]

One of the hangar investigators saw that no real investigation was being done. He contacted ex detective and private eye James Sanders. The investigator took some samples of a strange reddish purple residue that stained a row of seats in a streak. An outside laboratory tested this substance as PETN - a chemical used in rocket propellants. Sanders was arrested and FBI went after his wife too. CBS News caved and gave its samples of this residue over to FBI. FBI came back and claimed the substance was seat glue. One problem however, the NASA scientist FBI credited with testing the substance as glue wrote a letter of protest saying he never did any such test. CBS's Kristina Borjesson tried to expose this scandal. CBS fired her.

That one example alone is pretty damning isn't it. Thanks for that Albert. I had forgotten a lot of this.

[Jim Hackett II]

ISBN 0-8217-5829-2
AND
ISBN 0-9676658-0-9
respectively.

Oh and of the target of interest idea, I heard from places I might not accept that the French had operatives on board TWA 800. Only one source so take it FWIW.

Also TWA 800 tragedy was the death of Hughes old airline eventually.

[Albert Doyle]

Was anyone or anything on that flight that would have been an interesting target of convenience? I love the way 'investigations' are done in the USA. A small group sits around and decides what the conclusion should be; then tells those investigating to go forth and 'make it so'. :gossip:

I'm pretty sure the occupants of TWA 800 were all innocent victims in the wrong place at the wrong time. It was either a test drone missile that got away, or one of the first appearances of Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda was looking for suicide pilot jihad blood in the mid-1990's. Ramsey Yousef did the first Twin Tower attack. That's why it's important to read Peter Lance's book Cover Up even though, like many conspiracy works, it contains a disinformation virus. However the parts exposing the Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Bin Laden underground are very credible. Lance shows that the Al Qaeda organized to do serious attacks against American airliners much earlier than the US government let the American public know. His book's thesis is to show that the 9-11 Commission deliberately omitted the fact it was very aware Al Qaeda was organizing such strikes back in the early 1990's. So, if TWA was the target of such an attack, that was the motive instead of any targeted individual on board. CIA intercepted a message a day earlier saying that with the morning star Islam shall be avenged. The morning star was rising in Mecca when TWA 800 was shot down.


It is possible the military drill going on off Long Island was a sophisticated shield acting on US intelligence. It is possible that the Naval assets off the Whiskey test grounds south of Long Island were put there deliberately under orders due to awareness of this Al Qaeda threat. It is possible a drone was fired as a decoy so the hot missile that was used to shoot down the Al Qaeda suicide aircraft could have an excuse for being fired. The problem being they shot too late after the Al Qaeda aircraft got too close to TWA 800. The reason they found signs of an external proximity detonation is because the sophisticated tracking technology in the missile's nose cone locked on to the Al Qaeda aircraft. So much so that the drone actually shot right through TWA 800 while tracking the Al Qaeda aircraft.


If you read the ARAP TWA 800 site a Whiskey class submarine was on its inaugural mission that evening. When it returned to its Groton base the captain was relieved of duty without explanation. Relief of duty in the Navy is a serious matter. One of its seamen was recorded as calling his father and saying "We shot down Flight 800".



The seizure of the search area by a special team is only equaled by the seizure of government after the Kennedy assassination.