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Yes, it would be a pefect distraction Jan. The nuclear lobby will be right behind it too. Do they still fall for that though?
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#12
Magda Hassan Wrote:Yes, it would be a pefect distraction Jan. The nuclear lobby will be right behind it too. Do they still fall for that though?

I'm not certain if people do. probably most of them, yes. But even if they don't, look how Tony Bliar got away with the Iraq war even when there were millions in the street protesting. He just ignored them and went ahead, faking dodgy dossier's along the way.

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Quote:US calls on China to rescind air defence zone to avoid Japan confrontation

Request made hours after US vice-president arrives in Tokyo
State Department warns of dangerous clash with allies


[Image: ff8592b4-b2cb-48a3-87eb-fbfcb0e13a1a-460x276.jpeg]The US navy has deployed surveillance aircraft to Japan amid rising tensions over China's territorial claims in the region. Photograph: Kegan E Kay/AFP/Getty Images

The US called on China to scrap its newly declared air defence identification zone on Monday, warning that Beijing risked a potentially dangerous confrontation with Japan and its allies at the start of a trip to the region by vice-president Joe Biden.
The explicit request for China to "rescind" threats against unannounced aircraft passing over a chain of islands in the East China sea was made by the US just hours after Biden landed in Tokyo ahead of a six-day trip to Japan, China and South Korea.
"The fact that China's announcement has caused confusion and increased the risk of accidents only further underscores the validity of concerns and the need for China to rescind the procedures," said Jen Psaki, the chief spokesperson for the State Department.
Biden, who was met at Tokyo airport by Caroline Kennedy, the daughter of former president John F Kennedy and recently appointed ambassador to Japan, is expected to attempt to defuse the controversy during his visit.
Senior diplomats privately concede that the dispute over the airspace above the islands, known as the Senkaku in Japan and the Diaoyu in China, will almost entirely dominate Biden's trip, which had been intended to focus on US economic interests in the region. The row began nine days ago when Beijing unilaterally declared the enlarged air defence identification zone.
The Chinese defence ministry ordered all aircraft flying through the zone to notify Chinese authorities in advance, warning that it would "identify, monitor, control and react to" any air threats or unidentified flying objects coming from the sea.
"That kind of coercive, strong language is worrisome, and we hope it is not tested," a senior government official from the region told the Guardian, echoing growing concern about the possible risk of an accidental confrontation that spirals out of control.
The official said one possible scenario would see military aircraft scrambled simultaneously by China and the US, and possibly Japan too, meeting in the air. Another would be that China feels the need to intercept an aircraft that enters the contested airspace without prior notice.
"Mishaps and miscalculations can happen, particularly if aircraft are scrambled to intercept an aircraft. You never know how these situations can unfold."
Japanese airlines passing through the military zone declared by China are not currently informing Beijing of their flight plans. However, aircraft associated with other countries, including those flown by US and South Korean airlines, are submitting information to the Chinese, after domestic civil aviation authorities advised it was in the interest of safety.
Psaki stressed that the guidance to airlines from the Federal Aviation Authority "in no way indicates" US acceptance of China's declaration. She said China had made the declaration "in an uncoordinated fashion" which was "inconsistent with standard practice", adding the US did not believe the declaration to be legitimate.
Her remarks were echoed by the White House. "This is about the safety and security of passengers and is not, in any way, indication of a change in our position," said spokesman Jay Carney. "This appears to be a provocative attempt to unilaterally change the status quo in the the East China sea and thus raises tensions and increases the risk of inadvertent confrontation."
On Tuesday the Chinese envoy to the Philippines added to tensions, saying Beijing had a sovereign right to establish a maritime air defence zone over other regions. When asked to comment about concerns that China might set up a similar zone over the South China Sea where it has disputes with the Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam Ma Keqing said it was the Chinese government's right to decide "where and when to set up the new air identification zone".

Ma said the East China Sea zone's designation "will not hinder any normal freedom of flights within this area if they've notified the Chinese authorities".
The US ambassador to Manila, Philip Goldberg, described China's move as dangerous. "We do not believe that this is a move intended to build confidence or in any other way improve the situation," he said. Instead, China's new zone "will create tension and the possibility of miscalculations and that's never good".
Biden, who arrived in Japan late on Monday night, is now tasked with delicate role of attempting to cool tensions. "I believe this latest incident underscores the need for agreement between China and Japan to establish crisis management and confidence-building measures to lower tensions," the vice-president said in an interview with Japan's Asahi Shimbun newspaper on the eve of his arrival.
Washington has not taken a formal position on the sovereignty of the islands. However, it recognises Tokyo's administrative control, and said explicitly last week that its treaty to defend Japan militarily applies to territory around the islands.
The US, in its most direct challenge to Chinese military endeavours in two decades, flew two B-52 bombers through the zone without notifying the Chinese. The US navy has sent P-8 Poseidon patrol aircraft to Japan, a long-planned move that gives the allies greater ability to track hostile submarines and other naval ships in Japanese waters.
Following Washington's lead, Tokyo has sent military aircraft, including F-15 fighter jets and Awacs surveillance planes, directly through the claimed Chinese zone. For Japan, which has recently reopened debate on its formal post-second world war pacifist defence policies, it has been a notably aggressive response.
However the decision by US aviation authorities to advise airlines to comply with China's requests has roiled Japan, despite Washington's repeated insistence last week that its commitment to Japanese security is beyond question. The Japanese TV station NHK quoted a former senior foreign ministry official, Yukia Okimoto, saying the US "hurt Japan's interests over an issue related directly to Japan's national security in a way visible to the whole world".
Shinzo Abe, the Japanese prime minister, said he would "deal with the matter by co-ordinating closely" with Biden, who will visit Beijing on Wednesday and meet with China's president Xi Jinping. The vice-president is known to have a particularly good relationship with Xi, formed over several years.
Biden's trip enables him to have face-to-face contact with all the regional players with a stake in the controversy, including South Korea, where he will spend two days meeting senior government officials at the end of the week.
South Korea, which has strained relations with Japan, is also being sucked into the dispute. Local reports indicate that Seoul is in the final stages of expanding its own six-decade-old air defense identification zone southward, which would overlap with territory claimed by China.
The move comes after a defense consultation last week between China and South Korea failed to reassure Seoul that China's expanded zone was aimed exclusively at Japan.
The senior government official said one unintended consequence of China's declaration could be that Japan and South Korea, rivals undergoing a particularly strained relations at the moment, will be brought closer together. The official said the two countries were expected to "compare notes" over how to respond to China's move and high-level meetings between the two countries remain a possibility.
It is unclear if Biden will attempt to mediate between China, Japan and South Korea. Aides to the vice-president told reporters last week that Biden would seek only "clarity" from China about its military intentions, but declined to say that he would call for China to reverse its declaration, which Japan is seeking.
China has thus far shown no signs of retreating over the zone. It announced that it scrambled its own fighter jets in the air defence identification zone on Friday, an intended challenge to the US and Japan. But the Japanese defense ministry sharply questioned whether the Chinese jets ever actually passed through the zone, issuing a statement saying it spotted no additional air traffic in the area.




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The US guided missile cruiser was in the south China sea on "routine freedom-of-navigation operations". An obvious and utter lie. It was, very clearly, sent to rattle the Chinese cage.

But the US vessel was "forced to take evasive action" to avoid being rammed.

But then we read that after bridge-to-bridge communications "both vessels manoeuvred to ensure safe passage"? Was that after or before the US Cowpens was "forced" to take evasive action I wonder?

Seems like a game of chicken was played, and the US Navy blinked first...

Quote:US and Chinese warships nearly collide amid tensions over airspace

USS Cowpens was near Liaoning aircraft carrier in South China Sea when another Chinese ship closed in, officials say

  • Reuters in Washington
  • theguardian.com, Saturday 14 December 2013 03.30 GMT
[Image: Chinas-Liaoning-aircraft--010.jpg]China's Liaoning aircraft carrier on an East China Sea exercise in November. Photograph: AP

A US guided missile cruiser operating in international waters in the SouthChina Sea was forced to take evasive action last week to avoid a collision with a Chinese warship, the US Pacific Fleet has revealed.

The USS Cowpens had been operating in the vicinity of China's only aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, at a time of heightened tensions in the region following Beijing's declaration of an air defence zone farther north in the East China Sea, a US defence official said.

Another Chinese warship came near the Cowpens in the incident on 5 December. The US ship was forced to take evasive action to avoid a collision, the Pacific Fleet said in its statement.

"Eventually, effective bridge-to-bridge communications occurred between the US and Chinese crews, and both vessels manoeuvred to ensure safe passage," said a defence official, speaking on condition of anonymity.

The Cowpens had been in the Philippines helping with disaster relief in the aftermath of typhoon Haiyan, which hit the region in November. The US navy said it was in the South China Sea conducting routine "freedom-of-navigation" operations which are intended to assert the right of passage through a disputed area when the incident occurred.

China sent the Liaoning to the South China Sea in the midsts of the tensions over the air zone, which covers the skies around a group of tiny islands in the East China Sea that are administered by Japan but claimed by Beijing as well.

Beijing declared the air zone in November and demanded that aircraft flying through provide flight plans and other information. The United States and its allies rejected the Chinese demand and have continued to fly military aircraft into the zone.

Beijing claims most of the South China Sea and is involved in territorial disputes with several of its neighbours in that region as well.

Asked if the Chinese vessel had been moving toward the Cowpens with aggressive intent, an official declined to speculate on the motivations of the Chinese crew. "US leaders have been clear about our commitment to develop a stable and continuous military-to-military relationship with China," the official said.


The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
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Quote:Chinese military reacts angrily to Japan swelling defence force

Tokyo deal for naval destroyers, drones and jet fighters described as aggression harking back to cold war mentality

[Image: Japanese-naval-ships-pict-009.jpg]Japanese naval ships, pictured in 2008. China slammed Tokyo's plan to beef up its military presence in the region. Photograph: Junji Kurokawa/AP

The Chinese army has criticised Japan's plans to increase defence spending, accusing Tokyo of raising regional tensions under the pretext of safeguarding national security.
Geng Yansheng, a spokesman for China's ministry of defence said in a statement posted on Saturday on the ministry website that it resolutely opposes the five-year defence plan.
Under the arrangement adopted on Tuesday, Japan would purchase its first surveillance drones, as well as more jet fighters and naval destroyers, and set up a unit of marines.
China's strongly worded statement reflects the increasingly hawkish stance taken by its military amid a bitter dispute with Japan over uninhabited islands in the East China Sea.
Geng accused Japan of maintaining a cold-war mentality that runs counter to the trends of peaceful development, co-operation and mutual benefit.
Geng said that on the one hand, Japan claimed that it respects freedom, democracy, human rights and the rule of law, but on the other hand, it repeatedly denied its history of aggression during the second world war, challenged the postwar international order and hurt the feeling of the people of the war-victim countries.
"As a nation that can not reflect on its history, what qualification does Japan have to speak about freedom, democracy, human rights and the rule of law? How can the country make contributions to the world peace?" he said.
"Japan has on the one hand claimed to strengthen international co-ordination, safeguard peace and stability in the Asia-Pacific region, and make efforts to ensure security and prosperity of the international community, but on the other hand it sticks to the cold war mentality and beefed up military alliances with relevant countries."
Geng also accused Japan of trying to woo other countries to create regional confrontation and enflame the regional situation.


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The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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#16
So much for Japan not being allowed to have a military.... [Image: sov%20soldier.gif]
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Magda Hassan Wrote:So much for Japan not being allowed to have a military.... [Image: sov%20soldier.gif]

Its a 'Police Force' silly!....complete with sea-going destroyers and the latest jet planes with bombs, rockets, etc. (Some of the big city police forces in the USA are almost up to those standards too).

Yeah, Japan pulled the slip on everyone, and everyone just watched it happen and said nothing.....on purpose....good for business and the general militarization of the World. :Tongue:
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