the "ROOM" as predecessor of the OSS

[David Josephs]

I've done a few searches and can't find a thing about this "ROOM" - but it sounds like the same CFR (Morgan, House, Rockefeller etc) group from the Fed Reserve Act and WWI.

Any help?
DJ

In June 1940, General William Donovan recruited Dulles into his secret Coordinator of Information staff organized by Stephenson and used his influence as member of the ROOM (a private Wall Street intelligence gathering organization and forerunner of the OSS that provided covert money laundering operations abroad and supplied other field assets to American and British agents inside Germany) to assist Donovan in getting Army G-2 approval for establishing the Office of Strategic Services
http://rense.com/ufo6/secrets.htm

[Peter Lemkin]

In its modern form, 'intelligence' [spying and covert operations] were a feature of the superrich, before they gradually became, nominally, agencies of the State in the last centuries. I've heard the name 'the Room'...but can't locate my references to it yet. All one has to do, however, is note that the first VISIBLE intelligence agencies in the USA, UK and a few other 'western' countries were headed by bankers, corporate types, and their lawyers....in fact, they still are...with the addition of the military increasingly.

[David Josephs]

In its modern form, 'intelligence' [spying and covert operations] were a feature of the superrich, before they gradually became, nominally, agencies of the State in the last centuries. I've heard the name 'the Room'...but can't locate my references to it yet. All one has to do, however, is note that the first VISIBLE intelligence agencies in the USA, UK and a few other 'western' countries were headed by bankers, corporate types, and their lawyers....in fact, they still are...with the addition of the military increasingly.

Thanks Peter...

Yes, I am learning that "spying" was left initially to the wealthy since it was not supported financially by the military, so these "spies" needed to pay their own ways so as not to be connected with the military... and yet could travel and "spy" as a private citizen, or infultrate and report as needed.

The passage I posted is the first I've seen reference to the "ROOM"... and is very much in line with how the CFR was formed takin cues from the British: (from None Dare...)

If there are any reference materials you can point me to.....
DJ

The "secret society" was organized on the conspiratorial pattern of circles within circles. Professor Quigley informs us that the central part of the "secret society" was established by March, 1891, using Rhodes' money. The organization was run for Rothschild by Lord Alfred Milner, discussed in the last chapter as a key financier of the Bolshevik revolution. The Round Table worked behind the scenes at the highest levels of British government, influencing foreign policy and England's involvement and conduct of WWI. According to Professor Quigley:

"At the end of the war of 1914, it became clear that the organization of this system [the Round Table Group] had to be greatly extended. Once again the task was entrusted to Lionel Curtis who established, in England and each dominion, a front organization to the existing Round Table Group. This front organization, called the Royal Institute of International Affairs, had as its nucleus in each area the existing submerged Round Table Group. In New York it was known as the Council on Foreign Relations, and was a front for J. P. Morgan and Company in association with the very small American Round Table Group. The American organizers were dominated by the large number of Morgan 'experts,' … who had gone to the Paris Peace Conference and there became close friends with the similar group of English 'experts' which had been recruited by the Milner group. In fact, the original plans for the Royal Institute of International Affairs and the Council on Foreign Relations [C.F.R.] were drawn up in Paris…

Joseph Kraft (C.F.R.), however, tells us in Harper's of July 1958, that the chief agent in the formal founding of the Council on Foreign Relations was "Colonel" House, supported by such protégés as Walter Lippmann, John Foster Dulles, Allen Dulles and Christian Herter. It was House who acted as host for the Round Table Group, both English and American, at the key meeting of May 19, 1919, in the Majestic Hotel, Paris, which committed the conspiracy to creation of the C.F.R.

Although Quigley stresses the importance of Morgan men at the creation of the organization known as the Council on Foreign Relations, this organization's own materials and "Colonel" House's own memoirs reveal his function as midwife at the birth of the C.F.R.

[Peter Lemkin]

Roundtable Group Established
As governor-general and high commissioner of South Africa in the period 1897-1905,
Milner recruited a group of young men, chiefly from Oxford and from Toynbee Hall, to
assist him in organizing his administration. Through his influence these men were able to
win influential posts in government and international finance and became the dominant
influence in British imperial and foreign affairs up to 1939. Under Milner in South Africa
they were known as Milner's Kindergarten until 1910. In 1909-1913 they organized semisecret
groups, known as Round Table Groups, in the chief British dependencies and the
United States. These still function in eight countries. They kept in touch with each other
by personal correspondence and frequent visits, and through an influential quarterly
magazine, The Round Table, founded in 1910 and largely supported by Sir Abe Bailey's
money.
The Royal Institute and Council on Foreign Relations Are Set Up
In 1919 they founded the Royal Institute of International Affairs (Chatham House) for
which the chief financial supporters were Sir Abe Bailey and the Astor family (owners of
The Times). Similar Institutes of International Affairs were established in the chief
British dominions and in the United States (where it is known as the Council on Foreign
Relations) in the period 1919-1927. After 1925 a somewhat similar structure of
organizations, known as the Institute of Pacific Relations, was set up in twelve countries
holding territory in the Pacific area, the units in each British dominion existing on an
interlocking basis with the Round Table Group and the Royal Institute of International
Affairs in the same country. In Canada the nucleus of this group consisted of Milner's
undergraduate friends at Oxford (such as Arthur Glazebrook and George Parkin), while
in South Africa and India the nucleus was made up of former members of Milner's
Kindergarten. These included (Sir) Patrick Duncan, B. K. Long, Richard Feetham, and
(Sir) Dougal Malcolm in South Africa and (Sir) William Marris, James (Lord) Meston,
and their friend Malcolm (Lord) Hailey in India. The groups in Australia and New
Zealand had been recruited by Stead (through his magazine The Review of Reviews) as
early as 1890-1893; by Parkin, at Milner instigation, in the period 1889-1910, and by
Lionel Curtis, also at Milner's request, in 1910-1919. The power and influence of this
Rhodes-Milner group in British imperial affairs and in foreign policy since 1889,
although not widely recognized, can hardly be exaggerated. We might mention as an
example that this group dominated The Times from 1890 to 191, and has controlled it
completely since 1912 (except for the years 1919-1922). Because The Times has been
owned by the Astor family since 1922, this Rhodes-Milner group was sometimes spoken
of as the "Cliveden Set," named after the Astor country house where they sometimes
assembled. Numerous other papers and journals have been under the control or influence
of this group since 1889. They have also established and influenced numerous university
and other chairs of imperial affairs and international relations. Some of these are the Beit
chairs at Oxford, the Montague Burton chair at Oxford, the Rhodes chair at London, the
Stevenson chair at Chatham House, the Wilson chair at Aberystwyth, and others, as well
as such important sources of influence as Rhodes House at Oxford.
Roundtable Groups Seek to Extend the British Empire
From 1884 to about 1915 the members of this group worked valiantly to extend the
British Empire and to organize it in a federal system. They were constantly harping on
the lessons to be learned from the failure of the American Revolution and the success of
the Canadian federation of 1867, and hoped to federate the various parts of the empire as
seemed feasible, then confederate the whole of it, with the United Kingdom, into a single
organization. They also hoped to bring the United States into this organization to
whatever degree was possible. Stead was able to get Rhodes to accept, in principle, a
solution which might have made Washington the capital of the whole organization or
allow parts of the empire to become states of the American Union. The varied character
of the British imperial possessions, the backwardness of many of the native peoples
involved, the independence of many of the white colonists overseas, and the growing
international tension which culminated in the First World War made it impossible to
carry out the plan for Imperial Federation, although the five colonies in Australia were
joined into the Commonwealth of Australia in 1901 and the four colonies in South Africa
were joined into the Union of South Africa in 1910.
Egypt and the Sudan to 1922
Disraeli's purchase, with Rothschild money, of 176,602 shares of Suez Canal stock for
£3,680,000 from the Khedive of Egypt in 1875 was motivated by concern for the British
communications with India, just as the British acquisition of the Cape of Good Hope in
1814 had resulted from the same concern. But in imperial matters one step leads to
another, and every acquisition obtained to protect an earlier acquisition requires a new
advance at a later date to protect it. This was clearly true in Africa where such
motivations gradually extended British control southward from Egypt and northward
from the Cape until these were joined in central Africa with the conquest of German
Tanganyika in 1916.
The extravagances of the Khedive Ismail (1863-1879), which had compelled the sale
of his Suez Canal shares, led ultimately to the creation of an Anglo-French condominium
to manage the Egyptian foreign debt and to the deposition of the khedive by his suzerain,
the Sultan of Turkey. The condominium led to disputes and finally to open fighting
between Egyptian nationalists and Anglo-French forces. When the French refused to join
the British in a joint bombardment of Alexandria in 1882, the condominium was broken,
and Britain reorganized the country in such a fashion that, while all public positions were
held by Egyptians, a British army was in occupation, British "advisers" controlled all the
chief governmental posts, and a British "resident," Sir Evelyn Baring (known as Lord
Cromer after 1892), controlled all finances and really ruled the country until 1907.
Inspired by fanatical Muslim religious agitators (dervishes), the Mahdi Muhammad
Ahmed led a Sudanese revolt against Egyptian control in 1883, massacred a British force
under General Charles ("Chinese") Gordon at Khartoum, and maintained an independent
Sudan for fifteen years. In 1898 a British force under (Lord) Kitchener, seeking to protect
the Nile water supply of Egypt, fought its way southward against fanatical Sudanese
tribesmen and won a decisive victory at Omdurman. An Anglo-Egyptian convention
established a condominium known as the Anglo-Egyptian Sudan in the area between
Egypt and the Congo River. This area, which had lived in disorder for centuries, was
gradually pacified, brought under the rule of law, irrigated by extensive hydraulic works,
and brought under cultivation, producing, chiefly, long staple cotton.

[Peter Lemkin]

One of their less obvious characteristics was that they remained as private
unincorporated firms, usually partnerships, until relatively recently, offering no shares, no
reports, and usually no advertising to the public. This risky status, which deprived them
of limited liability, was retained, in most cases, until modern inheritance taxes made it
essential to surround such family wealth with the immortality of corporate status for taxavoidance
purposes. This persistence as private firms continued because it ensured the
maximum of anonymity and secrecy to persons of tremendous public power who dreaded
public knowledge of their activities as an evil almost as great as inflation. As a
consequence, ordinary people had no way of knowing the wealth or areas of operation of
such firms, and often were somewhat hazy as to their membership. Thus, people of
considerable political knowledge might not associate the names Walter Burns, Clinton
Dawkins, Edward Grenfell, Willard Straight, Thomas Lamont, Dwight Morrow, Nelson
Perkins, Russell Leffingwell, Elihu Root, John W. Davis, John Foster Dulles, and S.
Parker Gilbert with the name "Morgan," yet all these and many others were parts of the
system of influence which centered on the J. P. Morgan office at :3 Wall Street. This
firm, like others of the international banking fraternity, constantly operated through
corporations and governments, yet remained itself an obscure private partnership until
international financial capitalism was passing from its deathbed to the grave. J. P.
Morgan and Company, originally founded in London as George Peabody and Company
in 1838, was not incorporated until March 21, 1940, and went out of existence as a
separate entity on April 24, 1959, when it merged with its most important commercial
bank subsidiary, the Guaranty Trust Company. The London affiliate, Morgan Grenfell,
was incorporated in , and still exists.
International Bankers Felt Politicians Could Not Be Trusted
With Control of the Monetary System
The influence of financial capitalism and of the international bankers who created it
was exercised both on business and on governments, but could have done neither if it had
not been able to persuade both these to accept two "axioms" of its own ideology. Both of
these were based on the assumption that politicians were too weak and too subject to
temporary popular pressures to be trusted with control of the money system; accordingly,
the sanctity of all values and the soundness of money must be protected in two ways: by
basing the value of money on gold and by allowing bankers to control the supply of
money. To do this it was necessary to conceal, or even to mislead, both governments and
people about the nature of money and its methods of operation.

[Peter Lemkin]

...As they so often say...follow the money...in this case the Big Banks and the Corporations and Nations they were banking....and you'll see, IMO, the pattern of espionage entities that protected and procured information for them, were later somewhat incorporated into the 'State' [but primarily working for their original patrons], and are with us to this day. This goes back as far as you care to look in organized societies and especially in Empires. In the Middle Ages [for example] the spies worked for the King or Emperor who was also the 'bank'. I simplify a bit...but only a bit....

Quigley is a quick way to orient oneself to the last few hundred years of banking domination of most everything.....from there there are specialized books on the individual aspects. Also see the Anglo-American Establishment by Quigley. Dave is somewhere...but he is more of an expert on this than I.

[David Josephs]

Here is the link to the pdf of Tragedy and Hope and some other pdf's http://www.wanttoknow.info/war/
Quite a lot to read...

I would still like to focus on any documentation related to "the ROOM" which I see is very difficult to find...

[Peter Lemkin]

Here is the link to the pdf of Tragedy and Hope and some other pdf's http://www.wanttoknow.info/war/
Quite a lot to read...

I would still like to focus on any documentation related to "the ROOM" which I see is very difficult to find...

It may be difficult in part because it has such a generic name and can't easily be searched as one. Even in the pre-computer age such a name was so generic as to not easily be noticed.....likely why it was chosen. It may also not be the official or the only name used.