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Beckham deposition Orleans parish
#11
You might want to read Destiny Betrayed by DiEugenio to see how much evidence Garrison actually had against Shaw.



Drew, you're not attacking Garrison are you?
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#12
Magda Hassan Wrote:Beckham is a most intriguing character. Joan Mellen has covered him a bit in 'A Farewell to Justice'.

I was going to mention that. Joan contacted him and interviewed him in depth - the only researcher to do so, I believe. He is now a Rabbi, and told Mellen a lot of very interesting things. Long ago she told me she had more about Beckham and was thinking of doing a book just on him...but she has been busy with other books. I strongly suggest anyone interested in Beckham read A Farewell to Justice.
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#13
Albert Doyle Wrote:Drew, you're not attacking Garrison are you?

I admire the courage of his convictions, but it's growing obvious to me, as apparently it did to judge, jury, and witnesses in the courtroom, why his case fell apart. I know that the FBI was providing expert witnesses to the defense and other such assistance, but that wouldn't make a difference to a jury (or the nation) if there was coherent story to tell.
"All that is necessary for tyranny to succeed is for good men to do nothing." (unknown)

James Tracy: "There is sometimes an undue amount of paranoia among some conspiracy researchers that can contribute to flawed observations and analysis."

Gary Cornwell (Dept. Chief Counsel HSCA): "A fact merely marks the point at which we have agreed to let investigation cease."

Alan Ford: "Just because you believe it, that doesn't make it so."
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#14
Drew Phipps Wrote:
Albert Doyle Wrote:Drew, you're not attacking Garrison are you?

I admire the courage of his convictions, but it's growing obvious to me, as apparently it did to judge, jury, and witnesses in the courtroom, why his case fell apart. I know that the FBI was providing expert witnesses to the defense and other such assistance, but that wouldn't make a difference to a jury (or the nation) if there was coherent story to tell.

I didn't follow it closely. I wish I had. Exactly why did it fall apart?
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#15
He was relying on people like Beckham and Andrews, Vernon Bundy, and Charles Spiesel to give him the connections between the accused and the assassination. The jury believed, despite the FBI's intervention, that there was a conspiracy, just not that Shaw was a part of it.
"All that is necessary for tyranny to succeed is for good men to do nothing." (unknown)

James Tracy: "There is sometimes an undue amount of paranoia among some conspiracy researchers that can contribute to flawed observations and analysis."

Gary Cornwell (Dept. Chief Counsel HSCA): "A fact merely marks the point at which we have agreed to let investigation cease."

Alan Ford: "Just because you believe it, that doesn't make it so."
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#16
He was not at ll the high point of JG's case.

Garrison thought Nagell was his best witness. But Nagell got a hand grenade thrown at him and decided not to testify.
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#17
If you read Destiny Betrayed the jury was dead wrong. The only reason it wasn't proven is because the witnesses were intimidated away banana republic style. Even Shaw signing a register as "Clay Bertrand" wasn't good enough. It's unconscionable to criticize Garrison's case when the powers that be arranged for a friend of Shaw and his benefactors to be presiding.
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#18
The jury wasn't allowed to see the signature card, so that wasn't a factor in the jury's verdict. The card would have been admissible today, in part due to the erosions of our constitutional rights since Earl Warren's time as Chief Justice. The irony is amazing.
"All that is necessary for tyranny to succeed is for good men to do nothing." (unknown)

James Tracy: "There is sometimes an undue amount of paranoia among some conspiracy researchers that can contribute to flawed observations and analysis."

Gary Cornwell (Dept. Chief Counsel HSCA): "A fact merely marks the point at which we have agreed to let investigation cease."

Alan Ford: "Just because you believe it, that doesn't make it so."
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#19
In his 1967 letter Nagell mentions both the cloak and dagger and the company truck with bell telephone company markings being at CIA Langley in the wee hours of November 21, 1963 then the cloak and dagger is on the window sill where Oswald was to have been framed (presumably the 6th floor sbd) and then one of Oswald's Alpha 66 friends offered Oswald a ride in the company truck with bell telephone company markings, all of this happening in Dallas on November 22, 1963 greenbaum could be word play on paymaster.

Seems Hunt arrived in Dallas on November 21, 1963 and paid Frank Sturgis and others Hunt could have driven the company truck from CIA Langley on November 21, 1963 to Dallas, taking with him the cloak and dagger and the money to pay Sturgis.

I wonder? Would that explain Hunt's absence from work taking a sick day on 11/22/1963?

Things that make you go Hmmmm?
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#20
Nagell in Mexico City has suggested that in October 1962, a month after he began working with the Soviets in Mexico City, the Soviets requested of him to investigate rumors that Alpha 66, the militant anti-Castro organization set up by the CIA a few months before, was involved in serious discussions to assassinate President Kennedy.

I wonder, who really threw the grenade at Nagell?

Nagell was also requested to look into the activities of Lee Harvey Oswald, just recently returned to the United States from the Soviet Union.

On October 21, he checked out of the Hotel Luma in Mexico City, and spent the next year as "an investigator (informant) for the Central Intelligence Agency in an undercover role."

On December 20, 1962, he checked himself into the Bay Pines Veterans Administration Hospital, complaining of severe headaches, blackouts, and amnesia.

He was discharged on January 22, 1963. Perhaps, he was no longer needed.
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