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Oswald and the Friday Nov 22 12:30 timeline - CTKA material?
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If possible, I would like to see if this article or an expanded version would be appropriate for CTKA...

The Evidence IS the Conspiracy…


One of the few things I can say is an original thought andargument of mine is the questioning and examination of the timing of eventsthat need to occur for Oswald to have even been considered as involved in theassassination.

Let's assume for the sake of this discussion that Oswald wasindeed at the SE 6th floor window at 12:30 when the shots from there are firedAND that he planned to kill JFK with the MC rifle... he surely could not have killed JFK with arifle that was not there in the first place. Oswald has a few items of information he MUST have in order to pull thisoff, the most important being the knowledge that the motorcade and JFK's limowould pass within shooting distance of the building. Where would he get this info and what wouldthat info say?

CE1362 is the Nov 19th Dallas Times Herald article revealingthe route the motorcade would take... "The motorcade will pass thrudowntown on Harwood and then west on Main, turning back to Elm at Houston andthen out Stemmons Freeway to the Trade Mart" AHA! Oswald, if he read or was aware of this article would now know that themotorcade would pass directly beneath the TSBD... in essence the motorcade wasbringing JFK to his doorstep... Goodthing he decided to take the lower paying TSBD job in October, right?

This is TUESDAY Nov 19th.. the article prefaces with thefact that the formal announcement of the trip was made in DC at 4pm... couldOswald the Lone Nut have known that JFK would pass by the TSBD beforethat? I don't see how. Securityaccording to Chief Curry was not even planned until Tuesday the 19th. This musthave been the evening edition of the paper.

Between the evening of Nov 19th and Thursday Nov 21 Oswalddecides to get home to get his rifle out of the garage and bring it to work onFriday so he can do the deed. Does hemake sure to ask Wesley for a ride home that day? For if he doesn't get home byThursday night how can he get the rifle to work Friday?

Mr. FRAZIER - Well, Isay, we were standing like I said at the four-headed table about half as largeas this, not, quite half as large, but anyway I was standing there getting theorders in and he said, "Could I ride home with you this afternoon?"
And I said,"Sure. You know, like I told you, you can go home with me any time youwant to, like I say anytime you want to go see your wife that is all right withme."

Good thing Wesley was so accommodating... Asking Thursdayfor a ride home, a ride that would make or break his plan to kill JFK Fridayseems cutting it a bit close... And he'dhave to bring that paper bag he made to hold/hide the rifle with him... yet theman who sits by the paper never leaves his desk, eats his lunch at his desk andtestifies to not being away from that area... yet somehow Oswald accomplishesthis construction project without leaving a single print on this paper... andgets it home that thursday in the car with Wesley... maybe hidden in his pantsor shirt or ???

Marina and Ruth are very surprised to see Oswald on thatThursday as he usually gives them fair warning...

Mr. JENNER - Let'sproceed with the 21st. Did anything occur on the 21st with respect to LeeHarvey Oswald, that is a Thursday?
Mrs. PAINE - I arrivedhome from grocery shopping around 5:30, and he was on the front lawn. I wassurprised to see him.
Mr. JENNER - You hadno advance notice?
Mrs. PAINE - I had noadvance notice and he had never before come without asking whether he could.
Mr. JENNER - Neverbefore had he come to your home in that form without asking your permission tocome?
Mrs. PAINE - Withoutasking permission; that is right.

It is here we are treated to Ruth Paine's story about thegarage door and light being left on… shenever sees Oswald in the garage, never hears him… and even goes on to tellreporters:

Mrs. PAINE - I said Idid not see how he could have taken the gun from the garage without my knowingit.

Yet somehow Oswald has to get into the garage, into theblanket, disassemble the rifle, place it in the paper bag and make it ready forhis leaving the following morning… ifthe OSWALD PLAN to kill JFK can even occur… maybe all this happened in the morning?

Mr. JENNER - You heardno moving about on his part prior to your awakening?
Mrs. PAINE - No moving about on his part at all when I looked when I awoke


Mrs. OSWALD. Yes. Hethen stopped talking and sat down and watched television and then went to bed.I went to bed later. It was about 9 o'clock when he went to sleep. I went tosleep about 11:30. But it seemed to me that he was not really asleep. But Ididn't talk to him.
In the morning he got up, said goodbye, and left, and that I shouldn't getup--as always, I did not get up to prepare breakfast. This was quite usual.


So the entire household was awake at 9pm when Oswald goes tosleep… and there is no mention of the time or sounds involved in what Oswaldneeded to do to get his 40" rifle into that bag…

But he must have at some point as he walks to the Frazier'swith this large bag in his possession… which we come to learn must be at least34" long to hold the largest piece of the broken down rifle. Also in this bag are the clip, the ammo, thescope and the barrel with firing mechanism… Metal and wood adding up to 7.5 lbswith nothing to keep it from banging into itself, tearing this bag, or anythingelse.

Surely the people at the Frazier household see thisbag? And they do and testify to it…

Mrs. RANDLE. No, sir;the top with just a little bit sticking up. You know just like you grabsomething like that.
Mr. BALL. And he was grabbing it with his right hand at the top of the packageand the package almost touched the ground?
Mrs. RANDLE. Yes, sir.

(this 5'9" man holdinghis arm at his side carrying the bag, and this 34" piece did not touch theground… ok)
…
Mr. BALL. Now, was thelength of it any similar, anywhere near similar?
Mrs. RANDLE. Well, it wasn't that long, I mean it was folded down at the top asI told you. It definitely wasn't that long.

…
Mrs. RANDLE. Imeasured 27" last time.
Mr. BALL. You measured 27" once before?
Mrs. RANDLE. Yes, sir.


Hmmm…maybe she didn't get a good look… what does Wesley sayabout this bag?

Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I will be frank with you, I would just,it is right as you get out of the grocery store, just more or less out of apackage, you have seen some of these brown paper sacks you can obtain from any,most of the stores, some varieties, but it was a package just roughly about twofeet long.

So it appears that Oswald is able to carry a 34"-40" riflein a bag quite a bit smaller… yet measurements can be deceiving… maybe they underestimated they MUST HAVEsince the Lone Nut Oswald did get the rifle from the garage where it hadnever been seen by anyone in the house to the TSBD on the morning of the 22[SUP]nd[/SUP]in the back seat of Wesley's car. Andwas able to tuck this rifle under his arm and carry it into the TSBD… Did anyone see Oswald when he arrived thatmorning?

One man claims he is told by his "friends" that they seeWesley drop Oswald off at the back door.. yet this is 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] handhearsay and virtually impossible to prove… Luckily Mr. Dougherty was not onlyat the back entrance when Oswald arrives, but see whether or not anything is inhis hands at the time…

After the same question about Oswald is asked and answered anumber of times we finally have as evidence:
Mr. BALL - In otherwords, you would say positively he had nothing in his hands?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - I would say that---yes, sir.


Is there anyone other than Wesley that claims they seeOswald with a package, bag, rifle or anything in his hands that morning? No, we don't. Yet he MUST HAVE since his plan was to kill JFK as he passed by laterthat day… and we get back now to thetiming from that day.

After slipping by everyone with the package he stows it …where? Where does Oswald place this 27to 40 inch bag with rifle parts in it so that it is undisturbed and availablewhen he is ready to execute his plan. Maybe behind some boxes on the 6[SUP]th[/SUP] floor? Since he knowsthere is work being done up there and the place is in disarray, no one wouldnotice it… Maybe the 1[SUP]st[/SUP]floor domino room? A hall closet? Well,no matter, it had to have been somewhere since it is found on the 6[SUP]th[/SUP]floor, fully assembled at 1:22pm.

Back now to his knowledge of the motorcade route and thetiming. What information is available tothis Lone Nut master planner of JFK's death as to WHEN the motorcade would passby the TSBD… He'd have to know this to at least be looking out a window at thetime so as to take a shot… right? Wecome to find that SS agent Lawson tells Chief Curry that the Luncheon was tobegin at 12:15… that the plane was to land at 11:30 and after a 45 minmotorcade thru Dallas, arrive at the Trade Mart. VIP invitations had been sent and receivedwhich stated the Luncheon was to start at 12 NOON. So basically even if he was able to knowabout what Lawson said to Curry or had seen an invitation to the event, to thisLONE NUT KILLER the motorcade would have to pass by the TSBD between 11:55 and12:10…

At the same time he knew he had to retrieve the bag with therifle in it, reassemble the rifle and be at some window facing Elm when hedrove by or miss out on his chance for immortality. Except Eddie Piper sees Oswald on the 1[SUP]st[/SUP]floor around noon… no bag, no rifle. Carolyn Arnold claims to have seen him around 12:15 also on a lowerfloor… all the while Arnold Rowland eventually testifies that a man with arifle is in the SW 6[SUP]th[/SUP] floor window around 12:15… SOMEONE knew when to expect themotorcade… Concurrently Bonnie RayWilliams is eating his lunch 10 feet from the SE corner of the 6[SUP]th[/SUP]floor sometime between 12 and 12:15.

Mr. WILLIAMS. It wasafter I had left the sixth floor, after I had eaten the chicken sandwich. Ifinished the chicken sandwich maybe 10 or 15 minutes after 12. I could sayapproximately what time it was.
Mr. BALL. Approximately what time was it?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Approximately 12:20, maybe.
Mr. BALL. Well, now, when you talked to the FBI on the 23d day of November, yousaid that you went up to the sixth floor about 12 noon with your lunch, and youstayed only about 3 minutes, and seeing no one you came down to the fifthfloor, using the stairs at the west end of the building. Now, do you think youstayed longer than 3 minutes up there?
Mr. WILLIAMS. I am sure I stayed longer than 3 minutes.
Mr. BALL. Do you remember telling the FBI you only stayed 3 minutes up there?
Mr. WILLIAMS. I do not remember telling them I only stayed 3 minutes.


Why would the FBI lie about that? Even they knew that Oswald would need some time to prepare.

Williams finally meets up with Norman and Jarman on the 5[SUP]th[/SUP]floor since, as he put it:

Mr. DULLES. You wereall alone as far as you knew at that time on the sixth floor?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.
Mr. DULLES. During that period of from 12 o'clock about to--10 or 15 minutesafter?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. I felt like I was all alone. That is one of the reasonsI left--because it was so quiet.


The man who finds out about JFK passing by his window just 3days before and goes thru a variety of activities to insure he is at ANY windowfacing Elm when he KNOWS JFK is passing by… appears completely unconcernedabout the motorcade and timing as late as 12:15… We also come to find that Mrs. Reid talks toher husband who is listening to the radio which states that the plane arrivedlate and did not leave Love field until 11:55… how fortuitous! Yet how would Oswald know this? There is not a single bit of evidence that isshared by anyone who claims to have told Oswald anything about a radiobroadcast and the delay in the motorcade…

Let's give him the benefit of the doubt… at a little after noon on the 22[SUP]nd[/SUP]Oswald has to accomplish the following: Retrieve the rifle, assemble the rifle, assemble the sniper's nest inthe SE 6[SUP]th[/SUP] floor corner without leaving a fingerprint on any ofthese 20+ 40lb boxes, hope that no one is on the 6[SUP]th[/SUP] floor at thetime, and do so without being seen or heard by anyone… for as we have thetestimony… no one hears any of this happen or sees any of this occurring.. whatis seen are men on the 6[SUP]th[/SUP] floor at 12:15, one on the SW with arifle and one on the SE looking out a window… neither of these men are Oswald…

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But no matter… since he MUST HAVE been able to accomplishall this within 15 to 20 minutes without actually knowing any of the timingdetails… good plan!

Within 2 minutes of the shots being fired he is supposedlystopped in the lunchroom on the 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] floor… yet that's not what Bakerwrites on 11/22 and signs on 11/22 in his AFFIDAVIT IN ANY FACT

"As we reached thethird or fourth floor I saw a man walking away from the stairway. I called tothe man and he turned around and came back toward me. The manager said, "Iknow that man, he works here." I then turned the man loose and went up to thetop floor. The man I saw was a white man approximately 30 years old, 5'9",165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket."

No 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] floor, no door to the lunchroom, no windowin the door, no pulling of his pistol, none of this story to be is recorded onthe afternoon of the killing by the man who stopped someone coming down thestairs from where the shots were supposedly fired…

Our three men just 10 feet below the SE window are subjectto a rifle blast that produces over 150dB of sound/shockwave. Studies show that this level of sound evendown to 120dB will render a person temporarily deaf, cause ringing in the earsand be quite painful for some time afterward… and not only does it happen oncebut 2 more times… yet one of these menclaims to be able to hear the working of the bolt and clinking of the shells onthe floor above…. A sound this loud,repeated twice more from the same location and these men can only "think" or"believe" someone is shooting at the president… It stretches the bounds of credibility… but it MUST have happened thatway…

Mr. NORMAN. I believeit was his right arm, and I can't remember what the exact time was but I know Iheard a shot, and then after I heard the shot, well, it seems as though thePresident, you know, slumped or something, and then another shot and I believeJarman or someone told me, he said, "I believe someone is shooting at thePresident," and I think I made a statement "It is someone shooting atthe President, and I believe it came from up above us."
Well, I couldn't see at all during the time but I know I heard a third shotfired, and I could also hear something sounded like the shell hulls hitting thefloor and the ejecting of the rifle, it sounded as though it was to me.


The Evidence is the Conspiracy… when I originally offered the concept in August of 2010on a different forum it was well received and completely blows the WCRscenario out of the water… it remains impossible for the events to have happenedthe way they were described and not even possible to be considered by anythinking person.

As Bugs says this is indeed the most complicated murder ofall time, and the WCR proves it to be so. Talking about the "evidence" as if it indicates anything is a hoax and acruel joke on anyone who continues to play the game…. The magician's trick of getting you to lookhere while the deception is happening over there…

As Edward Morrow used to say, "Good night, and Good Luck"

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David, I'm trying to read this but there are so many words jammed together with no spaces between them.
Does it look like that to everyone else?
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Tracy Riddle Wrote:David, I'm trying to read this but there are so many words jammed together with no spaces between them.
Does it look like that to everyone else?

That is a common problem when pasting some text files. One thing one can try is [doesn't always work] re-pasting as plain text - no formatting - if that is an option in your computer.
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Carolyn Arnold originally said 12:25 but FBI took the liberty to change it to 12:15 on the logic that Oswald had to be in the Sniper's Nest at 12:25.


Why would Baker and Truly conspire to place Oswald further downstairs if they had really seen him on the 4th floor landing? That sighting would have put Oswald closer to the Sniper's Nest and worked for the Commission. I think Baker and Truly saw an Oswald double on the 4th floor landing and Baker dutifully shut-up about it.
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I was wondering why that happens all the time... pasting into this text block and I always get words joining together...

I'll try some other means of pasting...

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I am hoping this will prove to anyone and everyone, once andfor all, that the Evidence is the Conspiracy…


Let's assume for the sake of this discussion that Oswald was indeed at the SE 6th floor window at 12:30 when the shots from there are firedAND that he planned to kill JFK with the MC rifle... he surely could not have killed JFK with arifle that was not there in the first place. Oswald has a few items of information he MUST have in order to pull thisoff, the most important being the knowledge that the motorcade and JFK's limo would pass within shooting distance of the building. Where would he get this info and what wouldthat info say?

CE1362 is the Nov 19th Dallas Times Herald article revealing the route the motorcade would take... "The motorcade will pass thrudowntown on Harwood and then west on Main, turning back to Elm at Houston and then out Stemmons Freeway to the Trade Mart" AHA! Oswald, if he read or was aware of this article would now know that the motorcade would pass directly beneath the TSBD... in essence the motorcade was bringing JFK to his doorstep... Good thing he decided to take the lower paying TSBD job in October, right?

This is TUESDAY Nov 19th.. the article prefaces with the fact that the formal announcement of the trip was made in DC at 4pm... could Oswald the Lone Nut have known that JFK would pass by the TSBD beforethat? I don't see how. Security accordingto Chief Curry was not even planned until Tuesday the 19th. This must have been the evening edition of the paper.

Between the evening of Nov 19th and Thursday Nov 21 Oswald decides to get home to get his rifle out of the garage and bring it to work on Friday so he can do the deed. Does he make sure to ask Wesley for a ride home that day? For if he doesn't get home by Thursday night how can he get the rifle to work Friday?

Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I say, we were standing like I said atthe four-headed table about half as large as this, not, quite half as large, but anyway I was standing there getting the orders in and he said, "Could I ride home with you this afternoon?"
And I said, "Sure. You know, like I told you, you can go home with me any time you want to, like I say anytime you want to go see your wife that is all right with me."

Good thing Wesley was so accommodating... Asking Thursdayfor a ride home, a ride that would make or break his plan to kill JFK Friday seems cutting it a bit close... And he'd have to bring that paper bag he made to hold/hide the rifle with him... yet the man who sits by the paper never leaves his desk, eats his lunch at his desk and testifies to not being away from that area... yet somehow Oswald accomplishes this construction project without leaving a single print on this paper... andgets it home that thursday in the car with Wesley... maybe hidden in his pants or shirt or ???


Marina and Ruth are very surprised to see Oswald on thatThursday as he usually gives them fair warning...

Mr. JENNER - Let's proceed with the 21st. Did anything occur on the 21st with respect to Lee Harvey Oswald, that is a Thursday?
Mrs. PAINE - I arrived home from grocery shopping around 5:30, and he was on the front lawn. I was surprised to see him.
Mr. JENNER - You had no advance notice?
Mrs. PAINE - I had no advance notice and he had never before come without asking whether he could.
Mr. JENNER - Never before had he come to your home in that form without asking your permission to come?
Mrs. PAINE - Without asking permission; that is right.

It is here we are treated to Ruth Paine's story about the garage door and light being left on… shenever sees Oswald in the garage, never hears him… and even goes on to tell reporters:

Mrs. PAINE - I said I did not see how he could have taken the gun from the garage without my knowing it.

Yet somehow Oswald has to get into the garage, into the blanket, disassemble the rifle, place it in the paper bag and make it ready for his leaving the following morning… ifthe OSWALD PLAN to kill JFK can even occur… maybe all this happened in the morning?

Mr. JENNER - You heard no moving about on his part prior to your awakening?
Mrs. PAINE - No moving about on his part at all when I looked when I awoke

Mrs. OSWALD. Yes. He then stopped talking and sat down and watched television and then went to bed. I went to bed later. It was about 9 o'clock when he went to sleep. I went to sleep about 11:30. But it seemed to me that he was not really asleep. But I didn't talk to him.

In the morning he got up, said goodbye, and left, and that I shouldn't get up--as always, I did not get up to prepare breakfast. This was quite usual.

So the entire household was awake at 9pm when Oswald goes to sleep… and there is no mention of the time or sounds involved in what Oswald needed to do to get his 40" rifle into that bag…

But he must have at some point as he walks to the Frazier's with this large bag in his possession… which we come to learn must be at least 34" long to hold the largest piece of the broken down rifle. Also in this bag are the clip, the ammo, the scope and the barrel with firing mechanism… Metal and wood adding up to 7.5 lbs with nothing to keep it from banging into itself, tearing this bag, or anything else.

Surely the people at the Frazier household see this bag? And they do and testify to it…

Mrs. RANDLE. No, sir; the top with just a little bit sticking up. You know just like you grab something like that.
Mr. BALL. And he was grabbing it with his right hand at the top of the package and the package almost touched the ground?
Mrs. RANDLE. Yes, sir.

(this 5'9" man holding his arm at his side carrying the bag, and this 34" piece did not touch the ground… ok)

…

Mr. BALL. Now, was the length of it any similar, anywhere near similar?
Mrs. RANDLE. Well, it wasn't that long, I mean it was folded down at the top as I told you. It definitely wasn't that long.

…
Mrs. RANDLE. I measured 27" last time.
Mr. BALL. You measured 27" once before?
Mrs. RANDLE. Yes, sir.

Hmmm…maybe she didn't get a good look… what does Wesley say about this bag?

Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I will be frank with you, I would just, it is right as you get out of the grocery store, just more or less out of apackage, you have seen some of these brown paper sacks you can obtain from any, most of the stores, some varieties, but it was a package just roughly about two feet long.

So it appears that Oswald is able to carry a 34"-40" rifle in a bag quite a bit smaller… yet measurements can be deceiving… maybe they underestimated they MUST HAVE since the Lone Nut Oswald did get the rifle from the garage where it had never been seen by anyone in the house to the TSBD on the morning of the 22nd in the back seat of Wesley's car. And was able to tuck this rifle under his arm and carry it into the TSBD… Did anyone see Oswald when he arrived that morning?

One man claims he is told by his "friends" that they see Wesley drop Oswald off at the back door.. yet this is 2nd hand hearsay and virtually impossible to prove… Luckily Mr. Dougherty was not only at the back entrance when Oswald arrives, but see whether or not anything is in his hands at the time…


After the same question about Oswald is asked and answered anumber of times we finally have as evidence:
Mr. BALL - In other words, you would say positively he had nothing in his hands?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - I would say that---yes, sir.



Is there anyone other than Wesley that claims they see Oswald with a package, bag, rifle or anything in his hands that morning? No, we don't. Yet he MUST HAVE since his plan was to kill JFK as he passed by later that day… and we get back now to the timing from that day.


After slipping by everyone with the package he stows it …where? Where does Oswald place this 27to 40 inch bag with rifle parts in it so that it is undisturbed and availablewhen he is ready to execute his plan. Maybe behind some boxes on the 6th floor? Since he knows there is work being done up there and the place is in disarray, no one would notice it… Maybe the 1st floor domino room? A hall closet? Well, no matter, it had to have been somewhere since it is found on the 6th floor, fully assembled at 1:22pm.

Back now to his knowledge of the motorcade route and the timing. What information is available to this Lone Nut master planner of JFK's death as to WHEN the motorcade would passby the TSBD… He'd have to know this to at least be looking out a window at the time so as to take a shot… right? Wecome to find that SS agent Lawson tells Chief Curry that the Luncheon was to begin at 12:15… that the plane was to land at 11:30 and after a 45 min motorcade thru Dallas, arrive at the Trade Mart. VIP invitations had been sent and received which stated the Luncheon was to start at 12 NOON. So basically evenif he was able to know about what Lawson said to Curry or had seen an invitation to the event, to this LONE NUT KILLER the motorcade would have to pass by the TSBD between 11:55 and 12:10…

At the same time he knew he had to retrieve the bag with the rifle in it, reassemble the rifle and be at some window facing Elm when he drove by or miss out on his chance for immortality. Except Eddie Piper sees Oswald on the 1st floor around noon… no bag, no rifle. Carolyn Arnold claims to have seen him around 12:15 also on a lower floor… all the while Arnold Rowland eventually testifies that a man with a rifle is in the SW 6th floor window around 12:15… SOMEONE knew when to expect the motorcade… Concurrently Bonnie Ray Williams is eating his lunch 10 feet from the SE corner of the 6th floor sometime between 12 and12:15.

Mr. WILLIAMS. It was after I had left the sixth floor, after I had eaten the chicken sandwich. I finished the chicken sandwich maybe 10 or 15 minutes after 12. I could say approximately what time it was.
Mr. BALL. Approximately what time was it?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Approximately 12:20, maybe.
Mr. BALL. Well, now, when you talked to the FBI on the 23rd day of November, you said that you went up to the sixth floor about 12 noon with your lunch, and you stayed only about 3 minutes, and seeing no one you came down to the fifth floor, using the stairs at the west end of the building. Now, do you think you stayed longer than 3 minutes up there?
Mr. WILLIAMS. I am sure I stayed longer than 3 minutes.
Mr. BALL. Do you remember telling the FBI you only stayed 3 minutes up there?
Mr. WILLIAMS. I do not remember telling them I only stayed 3 minutes.

Why would the FBI lie about that????

Williams finally meets up with Norman and Jarman on the 5th floor since, as he put it:

Mr. DULLES. You were all alone as far as you knew at that time on the sixth floor?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.
Mr. DULLES. During that period of from 12 o'clock about to--10 or 15 minutes after?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. I felt like I was all alone. That is one of the reasons I left--because it was so quiet.

The man who finds out about JFK passing by his window just 3 days before and goes thru a variety of activities to insure he is at ANY window facing Elm when he KNOWS JFK is passing by… appears completely unconcerned about the motorcade and timing as late as 12:15… We also come to find that Mrs. Reid talks to her husband who is listening to the radio which states that the plane arrived late and did not leave Love field until 11:55… how fortuitous! Yet how would Oswald know this? There is not a single bit of evidence that is shared by anyone who claims to have told Oswald anything about a radio broadcast and the delay in the motorcade…

Let's give him the benefit of the doubt… at a little after noon on the 22nd Oswald has to accomplish the following: Retrieve the rifle, assemble the rifle, assemble the sniper's nest in the SE 6th floor corner without leaving a fingerprint on any of these 20+ 40lb boxes, hope that no one is on the 6th floor at the time, and do so without being seen or heard by anyone… for as we have the testimony… no one hears any of this happen or sees any of this occurring.. what is seen are men on the 6th floor at 12:15, one on the SW with a rifle and one on the SE looking out a window… neither of these men are Oswald…

But no matter… since he MUST HAVE been able to accomplish all this within 15 to 20 minutes without actually knowing any of the timing details… good plan!

Within 2 minutes of the shots being fired he is supposedly stopped in the lunchroom on the 2nd floor… yet that's not what Baker writes on 11/22 and signs on 11/22 in his AFFIDAVIT IN ANY FACT

"As we reached the third or fourth floor I saw a man walking away from the stairway. I called to the man and he turned around and came back toward me. The manager said, "I know that man, he works here." I then turned the man loose and went up to the top floor. The man I saw was a white man approximately 30 years old, 5'9", 165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket."

No 2nd floor, no door to the lunchroom, no window in the door, no pulling of his pistol, none of this story to be is recorded on the afternoon of the killing by the man who stopped someone coming down the stairs from where the shots were supposedly fired…

Our three men just 10 feet below the SE window are subject to a rifle blast that produces over 150dB of sound/shockwave. Studies show that this level of sound even down to 120dB will render a person temporarily deaf, cause ringing in the ears and be quite painful for some time afterward… and not only does it happen once but 2 more times… yet one of these men claims to be able to hear the working of the bolt and clinking of the shells onthe floor above…. A sound this loud, repeated twice more from the same location and these men can only "think" or "believe" someone is shooting at the president… It stretches the bounds of credibility… but it MUST have happened thatway…

Mr. NORMAN. I believe it was his right arm, and I can't remember what the exact time was but I know I heard a shot, and then after I heard the shot, well, it seems as though the President, you know, slumped or something, and then another shot and I believe Jarman or someone told me, he said, "I believe someone is shooting at the President," and I think I made a statement "It is someone shooting at the President, and I believe it came from up above us."
Well, I couldn't see at all during the time but I know Iheard a third shot fired, and I could also hear something sounded like the shell hulls hitting the floor and the ejecting of the rifle, it sounded asthough it was to me.



The Evidence is the Conspiracy… it remains impossible for the events to have happened the way they were described and not even possible to be considered by any thinking person.

As Bugs says this is indeed the most complicated murder of all time, and the WCR proves it to be so. Talking about the "evidence" as if it indicates anything is a hoax and a cruel joke on anyone who continues to play the game…. The magician's trick of getting you to look here while the deception is happening over there…

As Edward Morrow used to say, "Good night, and Good Luck"
Once in a while you get shown the light
in the strangest of places if you look at it right.....
R. Hunter
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#6
Yeah, assembling the paper bag has always been something that no lone-nutter has ever explained. As Weisberg described in his first book, the tape dispenser was one of those old jobs that wetted the tape as it came out. It had to be used on the spot. The bag had to be assembled right there, though Troy Eugene West never even left his station to go to lunch. And there should have been fingerprints all over the tape, but there were none.
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David Josephs Wrote:Mr. NORMAN. I believe it was his right arm, and I can't remember what the exact time was but I know I heard a shot, and then after I heard the shot, well, it seems as though the President, you know, slumped or something, and then another shot and I believe Jarman or someone told me, he said, "I believe someone is shooting at the President," and I think I made a statement "It is someone shooting at the President, and I believe it came from up above us."
Well, I couldn't see at all during the time but I know Iheard a third shot fired, and I could also hear something sounded like the shell hulls hitting the floor and the ejecting of the rifle, it sounded asthough it was to me.


This is certainly quite a lot of the Queen's English crammed into six seconds. "Spot of tea, old chap, while we wait for Officer Baker?"
"All that is necessary for tyranny to succeed is for good men to do nothing." (unknown)

James Tracy: "There is sometimes an undue amount of paranoia among some conspiracy researchers that can contribute to flawed observations and analysis."

Gary Cornwell (Dept. Chief Counsel HSCA): "A fact merely marks the point at which we have agreed to let investigation cease."

Alan Ford: "Just because you believe it, that doesn't make it so."
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#8
He could be condensing things that happened after the shots were finished. The person Richard Carr saw was probably responsible for the decoy shots taken from the SE window. Maybe one of those shots hit Kennedy in the back. Maybe not.
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Tracy Riddle Wrote:Yeah, assembling the paper bag has always been something that no lone-nutter has ever explained. As Weisberg described in his first book, the tape dispenser was one of those old jobs that wetted the tape as it came out. It had to be used on the spot. The bag had to be assembled right there, though Troy Eugene West never even left his station to go to lunch. And there should have been fingerprints all over the tape, but there were none.


And that's only the very first part...

Getting it home
Disassembling the rifle
Getting the pieces and parts into the bag without leaving fingerprints
Leaving it in a spot where it can't be seen between 9pm and 7am, while the rest of the house is awake until 11:30pm
Retreiving the bag/rifle combo in the morning
Have the bag shrink to 24"-28" on the walk to Wesley's
Carry it in such a way that there is more than 34" from the hand to the ground
Bring it into the TSBD while carrying it in an impossible fashion
Make it once again go invisible as he walks in the door on the way to
hiding this bag in a spot which will not be bothered yet easily accessible when his "PLAN" tells him to get to a south facing window...
REmoval from said bag again without fingerprints
Assembly without fingerprints
Produce a partially loaded clip and get into the rifle again, without a print on a brass surface
Enable the MC to work as it never has before jamming the clip after loading the final bullet but make it easy to eject said bullet without disturbing the jammed clip while alos making it appear as if the clip is not even in the rifle at the time...
Leave the clip and paper bag yet insure these items are not photographed on the 6th floor where they were found... even though every other conceivable and meaningless photo is taken...

Never a proof about Oswald doing it as much as it being impossible for the evidence to point to anyone else... since no one else could have done it, ipso facto... Oswald.

::facepalm::
Once in a while you get shown the light
in the strangest of places if you look at it right.....
R. Hunter
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#10
Instead of "Assembly without fingerprints" it should be "Assembly without tools or fingerprints," as it is quite possible to do one or the other. Although taking the time to wipe the assembled rifle clean of prints after the shooting with a shirt would account for that. I wonder if the shirt(s) has been tested for the presence of gun oils, or gunpowder residue?
"All that is necessary for tyranny to succeed is for good men to do nothing." (unknown)

James Tracy: "There is sometimes an undue amount of paranoia among some conspiracy researchers that can contribute to flawed observations and analysis."

Gary Cornwell (Dept. Chief Counsel HSCA): "A fact merely marks the point at which we have agreed to let investigation cease."

Alan Ford: "Just because you believe it, that doesn't make it so."
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