UFOS - the serious new deep political research topic?

[Mark A. O'Blazney]

You might first look at 'The Nature of the Klipot'. Just a suggestion.

[David Guyatt]

You might first look at 'The Nature of the Klipot'. Just a suggestion.

Yes, it's the Qliphoth, known as the shells of the dark or shadow side of the Tree of Life of the Qabalah. The Purple Zone/Tunnels of Set are accessed through the 11th sphere or Sephirah known as Belial (Daath on the positive Tree of Life). Actually, I think Kenneth Grant called it the Mauve Zone. The theory is that communication of alien knowledge can occur in this realm. It is certainly not an area of research I would recommend. Grant was a student of Crowley btw.

On another subject, I happened on the following perusing Dave Emory's Spitfirelist.com:

CIA Flying Saucers at Area 51

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SS Offi*cer Werner von Braun and Ger*man staff officers

COMMENT: For*mer Air Force Sergeant Robert Vinsonan eye*wit*ness to an Oswald dou*ble fly*ing out of Dal*las on 11/22/1963was posted to Site 51 ("Area 51″) out*side of Las Vegas.
While at the base, he learned of saucer-shaped air*craft being flown by the CIA at the base.
For more ont the sub*ject of so-called UFO's, see FTR #s 66, 67, 68, 167, 178, 588, 639, 873, 874, as well as L-1 and L-2.
The devel*op*ment of so-called "fly*ing saucers" may well have evolved from Project Paper*clip and the incor*po*ra*tion of Third Reich rocket and avi*a*tion spe*cial*ists, as well as advanced tech*nol*ogy, into the U.S. national secu*rity establishment.
JFK and the Unspeak*able: Why He Died and Why It Mat*ters by James W. Dou*glass; Touch*stone Books [SC]; Copy*right 2008 by James W. Dou*glas; ISBN 9781-43919388-4; p. 301.

. . . . On his new assign*ment, Vin*son would soon learn that the CIA's projects out of Site 51 included exper*i*men*tal air*craft shaped like saucers. The same was true at the CIA's other base at Roswell, New Mex*ico, where the C-54 car*ry*ing the sec*ond Oswald had landed. Both Site 51 and Roswell were home to "fly*ing saucers" that peo*ple saw peri*od*i*cally in the area. They in fact came not from outer space but from the CIA, which encour*aged the fly*ing saucer reports as a con*ve*nient cover story for U.S. exper*i*men*tal aircraft. . . .

DISCUSSION

3 COMMENTS FOR "CIA FLYING SAUCERS AT AREA 51"

1. 
   http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oc...t-cold-war
   This arti*cle from The Guardian (UK) states:
   "The US gov*ern*ment "secretly acquired" Soviet air*craft dur*ing the Cold War and tested them at Area 51, accord*ing to doc*u*ments released Tues*day that shed light on the once-classified and long spec*u*lated base deep in the Nevada desert.
   The CIA in August con*firmed the exis*tence of Area 51 when it released declas*si*fied doc*u*ments through a Free*dom of Infor*ma*tion Act request by George Wash*ing*ton University's National Secu*rity Archive. The ini*tial doc*u*ments show that Area 51 was used to test the US government's aer*ial programs."
   
   POSTED BY ANONYMOUS | FEBRUARY 7, 2016, 9:03 PM
   
   
2. 
   For a seri*ous research, here is a link to an FBI declas*si*fied file:
   https://vault.fbi.gov/hottel_guy/Guy%20H...f%201/view
   1. Click on the right col*umn "Unex*plained phe*nom*e*non"
   2. Then click on the left col*umn either
   "UFO" or "Project Blue*book UFO".
   Below is a link to a heav*ily redacted file of Werner VonBraun's secu*rity inves*ti*ga*tion. The fact that it is still heav*ily redacted is sus*pi*cious in an of itself:
   https://vault.fbi.gov/Wernher%20VonBraun
   
   POSTED BY ANONYMOUS | FEBRUARY 7, 2016, 9:26 PM
   
   
3. 
   @Anonymous
   I STRONGLY sus*pect that the tech*nolo*gies tested and deployed at Area 51 and Roswell are Third-Reich tech*nolo*gies, not "Soviet"the stan*dard catch-phrase for much of a century's worth of lies.
   Best,
   Dave
   
   POSTED BY DAVE EMORY | FEBRUARY 8, 2016, 7:48 PM
   

[Fred Steeves]

You might first look at 'The Nature of the Klipot'. Just a suggestion.

Thank you Mark. Interesting I discovered just that while Googling around, and was going through it when I noticed these couple of replies. I'm catching up quick!

Yes, it's the Qliphoth, known as the shells of the dark or shadow side of the Tree of Life of the Qabalah. The Purple Zone/Tunnels of Set are accessed through the 11th sphere or Sephirah known as Belial (Daath on the positive Tree of Life).

Great, and thanks to you also David. I'll be looking into that. Looks like I really need to get me a copy of the Qabalah, and a fresh highlighter.

Actually, I think Kenneth Grant called it the Mauve Zone. The theory is that communication of alien knowledge can occur in this realm.

I discovered and was reading up on him just yesterday, apparently he's the one who introduced alien type stuff into Crowley's work in the first place.

It is certainly not an area of research I would recommend.

Believe me I understand 100% why you say that, and the heads up is much appreciated. Really...


On the alien thing at large. I don't think we are looking at an either/or between "the aliens" were nothing but the U.S. testing Nazi technology and other mind control themes, and real bonafide ET's. My personal opinion is that we are looking at a very (purposely) messy mixture of both, because from everything I've seen the u.f.o. field is muddied with so much disinfo and flat out bullshit (ie MJ-12 and the Ebens from Zeta Reticuli), that it takes the shrewdest of shrewd investigators indeed to separate the wheat from the chaff. Alas I make no such claims to be in that category, maybe one day.

[David Guyatt]

My view is that any deep study into the alien theme of UFO's will very quickly devolve into the occult sphere. I think Peter Levenda's Sinister Forces trilogy is useful in this respect. Ditto Jacques Vallee's Passport to Magonia etc.

[video]https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?26-UFOS-the-serious-new-deep-political-research-topic/page9#.VtRQXMdsyRs[/video]

[Fred Steeves]

My view is that any deep study into the alien theme of UFO's will very quickly devolve into the occult sphere.

I'll see that, and raise you one. I contend that virtually every subject discussed at Deep Politics, and other similar forums, resolves quickly to hazy occult realms upon any serious minded investigation. That's my experience anyway, that's the nature of the reality we find ourselves in.

Curiouser and curiouser cried Alice.

[David Guyatt]

My view is that any deep study into the alien theme of UFO's will very quickly devolve into the occult sphere.

I'll see that, and raise you one. I contend that virtually every subject discussed at Deep Politics, and other similar forums, resolves quickly to hazy occult realms upon any serious minded investigation. That's my experience anyway, that's the nature of the reality we find ourselves in.

Curiouser and curiouser cried Alice.

Yes, an awful lot of the subjects do have that connection, I agree.

[R.K. Locke]

My view is that any deep study into the alien theme of UFO's will very quickly devolve into the occult sphere.

I'll see that, and raise you one. I contend that virtually every subject discussed at Deep Politics, and other similar forums, resolves quickly to hazy occult realms upon any serious minded investigation. That's my experience anyway, that's the nature of the reality we find ourselves in.

Curiouser and curiouser cried Alice.

Yes, an awful lot of the subjects do have that connection, I agree.

I agree also.

But how to make sense of it all?

[David Guyatt]

Well, that is the question isn't it - making sense of it all.

My ten cents worth:

Historically, the occult has usually been the preserve of the well-to-do and the elite because usually they had the time, money and education available to pursue the subject (the liberal arts versus the servile arts). Also because if we go back further in time occult knowledge was often reserved for kings and pharaohs etc.

This was demonstrated in the Youtube interview with Peter Levenda when he spoke about those who participated in "The Nine" with Andrija Puharich that was the subject of Lynn Picknett's and Clive Prince's book The Stargate Conspiracy. In that book the nine were described as The Council of Nine that were said by Levenda (in above interview) to be situated in a massive UFO orbiting the Earth communicating to us poor, backward folk. And those involved in the channelling of The Nine were leading members of the US elite/establishment families of the time.

But if we go back further in time, the number nine is significant because this was the number of the Ennead, the nine deities of ancient Egypt; Atum, Shu, Tefnut, Geb, Nut, Osiris, Isis, Set and Nephtys. And I very much doubt that were orbiting the Earth in a UFO.

And any serious study of the occult always involves the gods of ancient Egypt. Always.

Another way - a more modern way - of understanding these forces/intelligences was presented by Carl Jung in his Archetypes (from Wiki).

In Jungian psychology, archetypes are highly developed elements of the collective unconscious. Being unconscious, the existence of archetypes can only be deduced indirectly by examining behavior, images, art, myths, religions, or dreams. Carl Jung understood archetypes as universal, archaic patterns and images that derive from the collective unconscious and are the psychic counterpart of instinct.[SUP][1][/SUP] They are inherited potentials which are actualized when they enter consciousness as images or manifest in behavior on interaction with the outside world.[SUP][2][/SUP] They are autonomous and hidden forms which are transformed once they enter consciousness and are given particular expression by individuals and their cultures.

So for me, the bottom line, is that we cannot escape these massively powerful forces. They flow through us daily, shaping us and our lives. Most of us cannot perceive an Archetype moving though ourselves; we imagine it is just an aspect of us - which they are and conversely they aren't... they are autonomous - and so we take ownership accordingly.

The art is to make conscious that which is unconscious; to make scrutable the inscrutable.

And that which is hidden is, of course, by definition always occult.

In the last analysis we are the occult and there is no escape from that fact. And therefore, a study of the occult is the study of ourselves.

Lastly, what Jung did was take an awful lot of the hocus-pocus out of the subject. Prior to that the occult was the preserve of the few and it was protected by a bodyguard of impenetrable misdirection - often for sound reasons, but just as often for personal power, control and self esteem. In the Levenda interview he rightly says that anyone wishing to study the occult seriously should spend a few years in psychological analysis prior to embarking on that journey because it is vital to work out any kinks in yourself, as otherwise the forces released in occult studies can be devastating (like Levenda I've seen it happen). The shadow confrontation should, I think, be the minimum requirement for serious study. On the other hand a good occult school caters to this in the curricula - albeit in a slower more indirect way.

As I say, my ten cents worth....

[David Guyatt]

An Essay on Man: Epistle II

BY ALEXANDER POPEI.
Know then thyself, presume not God to scan;
The proper study of mankind is man.
Plac'd on this isthmus of a middle state,
A being darkly wise, and rudely great:
With too much knowledge for the sceptic side,
With too much weakness for the stoic's pride,
He hangs between; in doubt to act, or rest;
In doubt to deem himself a god, or beast;
In doubt his mind or body to prefer;
Born but to die, and reas'ning but to err;
Alike in ignorance, his reason such,
Whether he thinks too little, or too much:
Chaos of thought and passion, all confus'd;
Still by himself abus'd, or disabus'd;
Created half to rise, and half to fall;
Great lord of all things, yet a prey to all;
Sole judge of truth, in endless error hurl'd:
The glory, jest, and riddle of the world!

[David Guyatt]

Slightly off topic to the recent posts to this thread that are also slightly off topic, but to be honest some of the better threads have tendency to slither on the slope this way.

Speaking of the Nine and the members of the elite who involved themselves with a medium in a trance channelling The Nine - no one, apparently, has ever considered the psychological or other dispositions of the medium, G D Vinod (and I failed to mention that the number none is dearest of all to Masons).

However, moving along in a similar vein the below is Bill (kiss-me-quick) Clinton speaking of his wife channeling Eleanor Roosevelt. Yeah, these people really are into all this stuff. Go to 0:50