UFOS - the serious new deep political research topic?

[Charles Drago]

Aliens: It's OK to believe in infallibility of the Pope.

Leader Zog says that belief doesn't contradict basic definitions of mental health.

[Charles Drago]

David - you and I have discussed this subject on several occasions. Never enough though!

I agree that UFOs are both:

a psyop (that) had as its it goal the cloaking of the acquisition and testing of advanced nazi technology by the US.

and

the propagation of a new cult or religion that has as its target the collective manipulation of our minds.

Jan and David,

I concur with the above and with the balance of Jan's hypothesis, but would suggest the likelihood that UFO and related abduction phenomena in part may be attributed to a third and far more mysterious reality.

Are you familiar with the related work of Dr. Dean Radin and the late Dr. John Mack -- and, sans apologies, with Graham Hancock's Supernatural?

In an absurdly tiny nutshell: The space alien hypothesis is a pitifully inadequate explanation of UFO reality in light of advances in physics, brain science, archaeology and anthropology, and the exponential growth of the database of cross-cultural and cross-epochal experiences with "other-worldly" life forms.

None of which, by the way, diminishes the logic of your argument that, like so many other aspects of deep human experience, this sort of high strangeness is being exploited by all-too-human masters of perception.

[Jack White]

Any and all UFO theories have equal validity, because like
the "theory of evolution", the only true answer is we do NOT
know. But that said, we SHOULD seek the truth, wherever it lies.

The truth may be that any, all, or a combination of theories
have some validity....or ALL are untrue.

Jack

[Jan Klimkowski]

Jan and David,

I concur with the above and with the balance of Jan's hypothesis, but would suggest the likelihood that UFO and related abduction phenomena in part may be attributed to a third and far more mysterious reality.

Are you familiar with the related work of Dr. Dean Radin and the late Dr. John Mack -- and, sans apologies, with Graham Hancock's Supernatural?

In an absurdly tiny nutshell: The space alien hypothesis is a pitifully inadequate explanation of UFO reality in light of advances in physics, brain science, archaeology and anthropology, and the exponential growth of the database of cross-cultural and cross-epochal experiences with "other-worldly" life forms.

None of which, by the way, diminishes the logic of your argument that, like so many other aspects of deep human experience, this sort of high strangeness is being exploited by all-too-human masters of perception.

Charlie - yes indeed.

And I suspect the reason why David, in his earlier posts, invoked - heheh - both Crowley and Jung is because there is a huge and mysterious thing at the heart of this.

Prof John Mack, like CB Scott Jones, was a member of the deep black intelligence group, the Aviary. As was Phoenix veteran Col John Alexander - a remote viewer, an intimate of spookster scientist Hal Puthoff, and probably the only black operations soldier with a PhD in the "Kubler-Ross life/death transition".

The Aviary exists where psyops meet the Other....

[Kate Story]

Otis T. Carr and the Tesla Saucers

http://crossingpointoflight.blogspot.com...ucers.html

My flying machine will have neither wings nor propellers. You might see it on the ground and you would never guess that it was a flying machine. Yet it will be able to move at will through the air in any direction with perfect safety.’ – Nikola Tesla, interviewed in The New York Herald Tribune, October 15, 1911





Otis T. Carr (1904-1980?) was a protégé of the great inventor Nikola Tesla. Carr and his team constructed a number of fully functional, flying saucers in the late 1950s. The flying disks worked and were demonstrated. Carr was serious about ‘taking his craft to the Moon.’ However, two weeks after a dramatic test flight, their laboratory was forcibly closed. Federal agents confiscated equipment as well as all documentation. Authorities told them Carr’s project would ‘destroy the monetary system of the United States.’

Ralph Ring, now aged 72, was aboard that incredible and successful test flight. He and Carr, with their 45-foot saucer, transported themselves 10 miles at the speed of light!
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=ia...l=en&emb=0



‘It was in November, 1957…when Otis T. Carr of Baltimore, Maryland, announced that free energy and spaceflight had been once again made available to the inhabitants of this planet. Carr, a disciple of Tesla, has come up with two new inventions. One is an electrical ‘accumulator’ and the other a gravity motor; both utilizing the power of the sun and other forces in nature found in free abundance in the atmosphere.’

[Charles Drago]

Prof John Mack, like CB Scott Jones, was a member of the deep black intelligence group, the Aviary.

The Aviary exists where psyops meet the Other....

Jan,

I was not aware of Dr. Mack's affiliation -- real or alleged -- with the Aviary, yet a bell faintly rings.

At the risk of coming on like the spawn of "Frank Gerhardt" -- Do you have specific cites?

Is Mack's death in Britain more likely an accident or executive action?

In the meantime, I'll check Lavenda.

[Kate Story]

Aliens: It's OK to believe in infallibility of the Pope.

Leader Zog says that belief doesn't contradict basic definitions of mental health.

I have no problem with claims of infallibility. My cat is infallible.

[Jan Klimkowski]

Prof John Mack, like CB Scott Jones, was a member of the deep black intelligence group, the Aviary.

The Aviary exists where psyops meet the Other....

Jan,

I was not aware of Dr. Mack's affiliation -- real or alleged -- with the Aviary, yet a bell faintly rings.

At the risk of coming on like the spawn of "Frank Gerhardt" -- Do you have specific cites?

Is Mack's death in Britain more likely an accident or executive action?

In the meantime, I'll check Lavenda.

See David's post #6 in this thread. I'm pretty sure I've posted Aviary-related material on the EF but can't currently find it.

They were rumbled by, um, a very well connected journalist named Armen Victorian who then withdrew from the field because of death threats.

Or perhaps non lethal near death threats made through a viewer remotely.... and darkly..... lug:

Robin Ramsay's Lobster was involved to some extent. As, tangentially, was David Guyatt and our old mucker, the architect and EM weapons victim Harlan Girard.

When I was trying to break the remote viewing story back in the mid-90s at the BBC, I mentioned Dr Jack Verona (Raven in the Aviary) and Dr Christopher Green (Bluejay) to my source, and was cut off.

The Aviary had strong links with Laurance Rockefeller. They were a very strange psyop group, containing visionary thinkers of absolute ruthlessness.

[Jan Klimkowski]

Jan,

I was not aware of Dr. Mack's affiliation -- real or alleged -- with the Aviary, yet a bell faintly rings.

Charlie - you are right to make me check.

Mack may not formally have been a member of the Aviary.

However:

According to Dick Farley, former aide to C.B. Scott Jones, Laurance Rockefeller funnelled "$194,000 to Mack's Harvard- affiliated 'Center for Psychology and Social Change,' via the Washington, D.C. chartered 'Human Potential Foundation, Inc.' in the 1993-1994 period. Mack's group then started 'PEER' (Program for Exceptional Experience Research) and operated an 'alien abductee support group' who, among other functions they served, became fodder for Dr. Mack's 1994 'Abductions.'"

According to Donna Bassett, who infiltrated Mack's abductee support group, the Center for Psychology and Social Change (co-founded by Robert Jay Lifton) receives $250,000 a year from Rockefeller. Rockefeller also gave $194,000 to PEER (Program for Extraordinary Experience Research), along with various other donations. According to Bassett, Mack claims to have received funding from an ex-CIA source.

Mack was reportedly heavily involved in the Russian/American exchange at the Esalen Institute.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociop....html#mack

See Dick Farley's post at the link below (NB this area is the subject of bitter internecine warfare):

http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/hambone/macrock.html

If the above is true, this places Mack as knowingly receiving Rockefeller/Aviary funding and support.

It also suggests he is another Timothy Leary figure.

Unwitting > witting > complicit?

Where on the scale do we judge him to be?

[Charles Drago]

As you know, the recently deceased Claiborne Pell, of the Rhode Island China Trade Pells and for years reputed to be the wealthiest man in the United States Senate, employed C.B. Scott Jones as a special assistant. I believe this arrangement was in place during the 1970s.

Jones was said to have been an ardent proponent of the so-called reverse speech phenomenon.

I attempted -- unsuccessfully -- to arrange an interview with Jones.

I cannot imagine how to overstate the importance of this research.