UFOS - the serious new deep political research topic?

[David Guyatt]

David - you and I have discussed this subject on several occasions. Never enough though! :creep:

I agree that UFOs are both:

a psyop (that) had as its it goal the cloaking of the acquisition and testing of advanced nazi technology by the US.

and

the propagation of a new cult or religion that has as its target the collective manipulation of our minds.

In other words, UFOs inhabit that most dangerous of Zones: a psyop based on a genuine but hugely misunderstood and largely unknown reality.

The involvement of the likes of Fred Crisman (friend of both Clay Shaw and Michael Riconosciuto) and Guy Banister (one of Oswald's handlers?) in promoting the original post-WW2 UFO myth is intriguing and points at its deep black origins.

By far the most fascinating plan that They may have in mind for us, when financial or nuclear or climatic armageddon occurs, is that a digital Orson Welles intones from beyond the grave that the little gray aliens of Crowley, the Aviary and Agent Mulder have invaded Planet Earth.

And as Their first psyop trick, the archetypal grays may scare us witless with an alien weapon....

Of course that alien weapon will most likely be a Tesla weapon, via Paperclip....

:elefant:

Jan, yes we agree entirely on what UFO's actually are aimed at achieving.

BTW, I hadn't previously realized that Fred Crisman was also a mate of Michael Riconsciuto! What a small bloody world, eh.

[David Guyatt]

Prof John Mack, like CB Scott Jones, was a member of the deep black intelligence group, the Aviary.

The Aviary exists where psyops meet the Other....

Jan,

I was not aware of Dr. Mack's affiliation -- real or alleged -- with the Aviary, yet a bell faintly rings.

At the risk of coming on like the spawn of "Frank Gerhardt" -- Do you have specific cites?

Is Mack's death in Britain more likely an accident or executive action?

In the meantime, I'll check Lavenda.

See David's post #6 in this thread. I'm pretty sure I've posted Aviary-related material on the EF but can't currently find it.

They were rumbled by, um, a very well connected journalist named Armen Victorian who then withdrew from the field because of death threats.

Or perhaps non lethal near death threats made through a viewer remotely.... and darkly..... lug:

Robin Ramsay's Lobster was involved to some extent. As, tangentially, was David Guyatt and our old mucker, the architect and EM weapons victim Harlan Girard.

When I was trying to break the remote viewing story back in the mid-90s at the BBC, I mentioned Dr Jack Verona (Raven in the Aviary) and Dr Christopher Green (Bluejay) to my source, and was cut off.

The Aviary had strong links with Laurance Rockefeller. They were a very strange psyop group, containing visionary thinkers of absolute ruthlessness.

It has been years now since I last spoke to him but I knew Armen very well indeed. Ditto dear old Harlan Girard who you also knew well Jan.

What is quite clear is that UFO's and mind control are tight twins. It is somewhat odd that Armen began life researching UFO's and then moved into the mind control field. I began researching mind control and then moved into the UFO field via investigating various occult chivalric groups (the mythological Priory of Sion for example). I had absolutely no expectation that the PoS would lead me to UFO's but they did - via Crowley initiate Jack Parsons and the post-war US nazi rocket programme NASA.

[David Guyatt]

David - you and I have discussed this subject on several occasions. Never enough though!

I agree that UFOs are both:

a psyop (that) had as its it goal the cloaking of the acquisition and testing of advanced nazi technology by the US.

and

the propagation of a new cult or religion that has as its target the collective manipulation of our minds.

Jan and David,

I concur with the above and with the balance of Jan's hypothesis, but would suggest the likelihood that UFO and related abduction phenomena in part may be attributed to a third and far more mysterious reality.

Are you familiar with the related work of Dr. Dean Radin and the late Dr. John Mack -- and, sans apologies, with Graham Hancock's Supernatural?

In an absurdly tiny nutshell: The space alien hypothesis is a pitifully inadequate explanation of UFO reality in light of advances in physics, brain science, archaeology and anthropology, and the exponential growth of the database of cross-cultural and cross-epochal experiences with "other-worldly" life forms.

None of which, by the way, diminishes the logic of your argument that, like so many other aspects of deep human experience, this sort of high strangeness is being exploited by all-too-human masters of perception.

I've not read Hancock's Supernatural Charlie. Would you recommend it?

[Charles Drago]

David,

Supernatural is classic Hancock -- rich in raw material, problematic in some of its conclusions.

You would be engaged, I think, by the former as it relates profoundly to Jung's collective unconcscious and the panspermia hypotheses of Hoyle, Crick, and Orgel.

Hancock contextualizes UFOs and the abduction experience in a manner which is, if not novel, then certainly well developed and illustrated. As is so often the case, I leave the room when the either/or choices are all but force-fed to us.

So ... On balance, I do recommend the most recent paper edition, which contains the author's refinements of certain key passages.

[David Guyatt]

Thanks Charlie, I'll have to get it then.

[Jan Klimkowski]

Kate - re the weaponisation of Tesla technology, have you read the provocative work of Joseph P Farrell?

Jan,
No, but I certainly would be interested. I went to scribd.com and typed in Joseph P Farrell and Tesla in the search window and there are several items listed.

Kate - all of Joseph Farrell's work is challenging.

However, his books which are most relevant to the subject matter of this thread are:

Reich of the Black Sun: Nazi Secret Weapons & the Cold War Allied Legend

The SS Brotherhood of the Bell

There are members of Deep Politics Forum who know a lot about Farrell's subject matter and his research. Whilst some of his work is necessarily speculative, he has uncovered much fascinating and suppressed material.

[Kate Story]

Kate - re the weaponisation of Tesla technology, have you read the provocative work of Joseph P Farrell?

Jan,
No, but I certainly would be interested. I went to scribd.com and typed in Joseph P Farrell and Tesla in the search window and there are several items listed.

Kate - all of Joseph Farrell's work is challenging.

However, his books which are most relevant to the subject matter of this thread are:

Reich of the Black Sun: Nazi Secret Weapons & the Cold War Allied Legend

The SS Brotherhood of the Bell.

Thanks Jan and Reich of the Black Sun is the one I found so far and I am already hooked. I stayed up way past my usual bedtime because I couldn't stop reading.

Here is the link I found for this book if anyone else is interested. This is a great site for online books and articles. Most are available to be downloaded in text or pdf.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/468538/Farrell...ied-Legend

[David Guyatt]

On the UFO subject I would also highly recommend Jacques Vallee's "Passport to Magonia" because it opens up for consideration the "other" dimensions that surround this subject.

[Kate Story]

On the UFO subject I would also highly recommend Jacques Vallee's "Passport to Magonia" because it opens up for consideration the "other" dimensions that surround this subject.

I found this one on scribd.com also! Thanks.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/8652147/Passpo...lel-Worlds

[David Guyatt]

On the UFO subject I would also highly recommend Jacques Vallee's "Passport to Magonia" because it opens up for consideration the "other" dimensions that surround this subject.

I found this one on scribd.com also! Thanks.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/8652147/Passpo...lel-Worlds

Great! Scribd.com is a wonderful resource eh.