Trolls and proxy posts against Harvey and Lee.

[Dawn Meredith]

I found this post on ROKC:

Vanessa at April 12, 2015 at 4:31 AM

Hi Lee and Hasan


I"m a member at the Deep Politics Forum and am happy to post whatever you want about Albert Doyle. I can't seem to do anything but type on this computer though due to the browser so if you have something for me to post it will have to be sent to my private email Vanessa.Loney@transact.net.au.


Having said that, I don't think anyone is going to believe for one second I am the one making the case about Albert Doyle. I don't mind being booted of there though as I've never posted.

The answer is no. You do not bring that here. If the members there want to discuss that subject there with Albert then do so. But keep it there. You do not hound members here.

Also, you do not post here the views and opinions of other ROKC members -- as their pen for hire. That is a banning issue.

Having read your posts here my analysis is that almost everything you have posted is actually on behalf of others at ROKC who appear to have an agenda here -- but can't or don't wish to be present it themselves.

I can't tell you how reprehensible I find that attitude.

I can tell you I am recommending you for banishment.

Seconded. They can call me all the names they want on their hate filled forum -that I dove into for the first time yesterday, all I saw was name calling and hate, and not just for me. If you and "Bart" are going to plan a conspiracy to infiltrate DPF to stir up shit you should be less public.
Bye
DM

[Albert Doyle]

I think it is obvious Vanessa wants to make me the issue instead of Greg Parker's lies.

[David Guyatt]

It's not a free speech issue. It doesn't even come close.

Offering to post on behalf of members who have been specifically banned from this forum is completely out of order.

And having read your posts here I conclude you have a very specific DPF agenda focused on certain members - rather than an underlying subject based interest - and therefore find your explanation hard to believe.

Hounding members is not acceptable practise.

As always on DPF, the founders vote on important decisions. My vote has already been cast.

Il n'y a pas de fumee sans feu.

David

Well, that is certainly one vote that I don't expect to win. So I thank you for your time but as this is my last post here I'll say this.

Perhaps DP should reconsider allowing entire threads that attack other forums and individuals and then don't allow them the opportunity to respond without characterising them as trolls etc because it really doesn't speak well for your attitude towards fair debate and free speech.

If anyone wants to come on to EF to discuss any of these issues with me then I would welcome that and you won't be personally attacked I assure you.

But what I actually expect you all to do is ban me and then stick the boots in.

As for my supposed agenda, I have stated a number of times what I came on here for - a debate between JA and GP and to defend the attacks made on EF, ROKC and myself.


Selamat tinggal dan terima kasih.

I notice that you ignored the fact in your above justification that amongst your motives here was also to persistently hound Albert Doyle.

Anyway, I, for one, won't stick the boot in. Life's too short for such nonsense.

Goodbye.

David - if Mr Doyle had addressed the issue when it was first raised (or even addressed it at all) I wouldn't have repeated my question. And I would have thought that having a member on here under a false name was against DP rules.

There is no requirement for members to respond to a post. Unlike you, Albert's a long and established member here. Cease and desist this campaign. This is positively the last warning I'll give you.

[Don Jeffries]

Vanessa,

I have very little influence these days as a moderator at the EF. As I've explained repeatedly, I respect the tremendous amount of work John Armstrong has done, but have problems with aspects of his Harvey and Lee theory. I think Greg Parker's absolute obsession with trying to discredit him goes beyond any reasonable extremes.

I believe in free speech, too. But I'm also human. You can't expect me to respect anyone who belongs to a forum where I've been childishly caricatured, and urged by one of the members to kill myself, and to keep my "ugly face" out of the way of his fists. And this is someone who is a complete stranger to me. Whatever research is done there is ruined by the juvenile, vulgar "discussions."

The only reason I continue to engage Greg Parker is because he insists on repeating his reckless allegations about the late Jack White, and is now taking his anti-Armstrong agenda to the point where he's dismissing all of the Oswald impersonator sightings as well.

[Dawn Meredith]

Vanessa,

I have very little influence these days as a moderator at the EF. As I've explained repeatedly, I respect the tremendous amount of work John Armstrong has done, but have problems with aspects of his Harvey and Lee theory. I think Greg Parker's absolute obsession with trying to discredit him goes beyond any reasonable extremes.

I believe in free speech, too. But I'm also human. You can't expect me to respect anyone who belongs to a forum where I've been childishly caricatured, and urged by one of the members to kill myself, and to keep my "ugly face" out of the way of his fists. And this is someone who is a complete stranger to me. Whatever research is done there is ruined by the juvenile, vulgar "discussions."

The only reason I continue to engage Greg Parker is because he insists on repeating his reckless allegations about the late Jack White, and is now taking his anti-Armstrong agenda to the point where he's dismissing all of the Oswald impersonator sightings as well.

Wow Don. Urged to kill yourself? And physical aggression. You are one of the most well- mannered, well- intentioned people I have ever met on these forums. Perhaps that IS the problem. From what I saw over there yesterday hate is predominant MO.

[Peter Lemkin]

Every now and again we get a new member [or old 'member', but first time poster] who starts right up with passion [be it heat only or light] on a substantive topic related to history, politics, deep political events, etc. That is usually fine. But when someone comes out of the 'blue' and starts attacking members and widely held views by many on this Forum, I smell agenda. Add to that the thread I read in detail in which you Ms. Loney participated and were urged to bring two issues to this forum. That thread on the other forum also dripped with loathing for this Forum and several on it. That smells of conspiracy and proxy work for others. I'm as sensitive as anyone to persons being removed from a forum. I myself was most outrageously removed from the EF - and I was a moderator at the time, long time member, third-highest poster and [I though] a friend off Forum of the head honcho. So far, I've only heard 'heat' from you - not 'light'....and a willingness, no desire, to stir things up....which now looks like the idea...to cast a bad light on this Forum, the 'issues' you bring possibly only the 'excuse'. Time will tell. But, unless you modify your style, my bet would be you don't have much of that commodity left. FWIW. ::beammeup::

[Jim DiEugenio]

Posted by Jim D:

Vanessa, please spare us.

You came over here because you objected to being called a PM or Parker Minion.

Vanessa Loney replies:

Jim, with all due respect, (and I do respect you as a researcher but am finding your manners disappointingly lacking) I am not being directed by anyone at ROKC or EF. They would find that laughable I'm sure.


Posted by Vanessa Loney at ROKC:

Hi Lee and Hasan


I"m a member at the Deep Politics Forum and am happy to post whatever you want about Albert Doyle. I can't seem to do anything but type on this computer though due to the browser so if you have something for me to post it will have to be sent to my private email Vanessa.Loney@transact.net.au.

[David Guyatt]

It never ceases to amaze me how many combative and troublesome posts spring from those using government computers for their leisure activities.

[Drew Phipps]

One of the reasons I came here to post and be a part of this community was the lack of all the flaming, name calling, trolling and the juvenile garbage I see on other sites. I am dismayed to see this kind of crap starting here. I understand that this lady came here to pick a fight and get booted, fine, whatever.

That doesn't mean that you guys should sink to her level. Even if you know that she came here and started posting with an agenda.

I must say, she has a point about people here that start threads about what other people say on other forums. I don't go there to read that stuff, on purpose, and I don't want to read about the BS over here either.

We have a good community here of people with independent minds and who post their work here. Why don't we just keep the high standard of conduct that I've come to expect, and talk about issues and not people?

Don't feed the trolls. They'll go away.

[Dawn Meredith]

I completely agree Drew. Have been saying this forever, that if you engage trolls then it brings the entire forum down. But when several people make it a point to say on a different forum that they are going to come here for the specific purpose of harassment of certain members and to try to upset this forum they have to be dealt with in some manner. Believe me we do discuss it in private and all decisions are made after such discussion. Over at EF Greg Parker is trying to bait me right now but I am not going to reply. Sadly however there are people who come here with an agenda and it is not to discuss deep political issues.

Dawn