Paul Schrade on second gunman in RFK shooting

[Joseph McBride]

1. http://www.latimes.com/local/california/...olumn.html
   
3. Above, LA Times story on Juan Romero.
   
4. Below, from Facebook, Aug. 31, 2015:
   
6. Paul Schrade I have followed Steve Lopez who for years has fully informed us about Juan Romero with compassion. One time I talked to Juan by phone when he visited a class at Palo Alto High. The teacher had told me that Juan felt guilty that he had delayed Bob so Sirhan was able to shoot him in the back. I remember them shaking hands and feeling this was just as emotional for them as Bob's first meeting with Cesar Chavez in Delano in 1966. I assured Juan in no way should he feel guilty. We had turned eastward away from him and walked into Sirhan's line of fire from in front of us. He missed Bob and shot me in the top of my head. Sirhan was immediately captured and piled on by Bill Barry, Rosie Grier, Rafer Johnson and several others and was never in position to shoot Bob in the back four times. Bob was shot including the fatal shot in contact or up to an inch from the back of his head by a second gunman. The Prosecution failed to investigate or admit to this and the second gunman went free. Audiotape evidence now shows that 13 shots were fired 8 by Sirhan and 5 by the second gunman from two different positions. Falsification of the number of gunshots to only 8 was the Prosecution's deliberate effort to blame Sirhan. Sirhan did try to shoot Bob and missed. While a captive of Ambassador Hotel escort Karl Uecker who had seized Sirhan's gun hand and pounded it on the steam table. Sirhan's 6 last gunshots were fired away from Bob and wounded 4 more persons and penetrated door frames away from us. Sirhan was out of bullets and never in position to shoot Bob. I have no conspiracy theory. The falsification and fraud committed by the Prosecution to cover up the fatal shooting of Bob by the second gunman is totally clear based on the Prosecution's own witness testimony and forensic and physical evidence. Yet every District Attorney and Police Chief since 1968 has ignored the evidence and refused to re-open this case as is needed if Robert Kennedy and the American people are ever to have justice....in solidarity....PAUL Paul Schrade
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   Paul Schrade Besides Steve Lopez' support for Juan Romero the kindness and concern of Claudia Zwiener reported by Steve gives Juan a new way to feel about himself and live better.
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[Tom Bowden]

I believe very much in the second gun. I am really tired of certain conspiracy theorists mudding the water with all the mish mash of brain washing and elaborate conspiracies. Quite simple, Sirhan was used because of his relationship with the polka dot lady. The lady has passed away. Until Sirhan admits his relationship, there will be not solution. The most effective conspiracies are simple and straight forward. The more elaborate one makes the assassination, the less likely a legal solution with be obtained.

[Ashley Wood]

I believe very much in the second gun. I am really tired of certain conspiracy theorists mudding the water with all the mish mash of brain washing and elaborate conspiracies. Quite simple, Sirhan was used because of his relationship with the polka dot lady. The lady has passed away. Until Sirhan admits his relationship, there will be not solution. The most effective conspiracies are simple and straight forward. The more elaborate one makes the assassination, the less likely a legal solution with be obtained.

Did she die recently Tom ? I was under the impression (with no evidence!) that she was still alive.

[Tom Bowden]

I believe very much in the second gun. I am really tired of certain conspiracy theorists mudding the water with all the mish mash of brain washing and elaborate conspiracies. Quite simple, Sirhan was used because of his relationship with the polka dot lady. The lady has passed away. Until Sirhan admits his relationship, there will be not solution. The most effective conspiracies are simple and straight forward. The more elaborate one makes the assassination, the less likely a legal solution with be obtained.

Did she die recently Tom ? I was under the impression (with no evidence!) that she was still alive.

She died two years ago.

[Ashley Wood]

Thanks Tom

[Peter Lemkin]

I believe very much in the second gun. I am really tired of certain conspiracy theorists mudding the water with all the mish mash of brain washing and elaborate conspiracies. Quite simple, Sirhan was used because of his relationship with the polka dot lady. The lady has passed away. Until Sirhan admits his relationship, there will be not solution. The most effective conspiracies are simple and straight forward. The more elaborate one makes the assassination, the less likely a legal solution with be obtained.

It is not 'conspiracy theory'...we are talking about CONSPIRACY FACTS. I really bristle at the term 'conspiracy theorists' and suggest you re-evaluate using that here. Sirhan Sirhan definitely was subjected to mind control and he seemed to have had a few who subjected him to that which have been named. The 'Polka Dot Lady' was quite obviously part of the signal to go into post-hypnotic state [her dress and likely something she also said to him]. The conspiracies I've studied have been very elaborate and were intentionally made to be so, to make peering through the smoke or realizing there were mirrors that much more difficult. While that does, yes, complicate a 'legal solution' the real problem is there is NO DESIRE, let alone WILL on the part of the 'government' or 'prosecutors' or anyone else in 'authority' to get to the bottom of something they damn well know, or suspect, will show a high[est] level conspiracy to murder and obstruction of justice - of whole agencies of government, of whole police departments, of prosecutors, of exposing the secret governmental structures. Still waiting for a 'legal solution' on JFK - the ONLY real one [Garrison's] was subverted by CIA, FBI and many others. Ditto RFK, MLK and lots of others. It was complex and trying to wish it simple is IMHO not on target and only wishful thinking. We're in deep shit in the USA. The secret state kills anyone anytime, does back-to-back illegal wars, has a growing police-state, spies on everyone all the time electronically, maintains a permanent War OF Terror, does endless government overthrows [including our own], drug deals, illegal weapons sales, dirty-tricks, black propaganda, trickle-up theft, vote stealing, having purchased the media, politicians mostly bought, packed the Supreme Court, controls who can and can not run for office-even when office holders are but puppets in most cases, false-flag operations up the yazoo.......it is not a simple case nor is it a simple situation in which we find ourselves.
And the reason Sirhan hasn't 'come clean' on the Polka Dot Lady is he was programmed not to remember any of that.....and they [THEY!] are not likely to let him be deprogrammed to remember that. Another layer of complexity....and there are other layers I could name and would be glad to. I could get into Pena, or the extra bullets [too many to have come from S.S.'s gun] in door frames [that were disappeared by the LAPD], or the CIA guys hanging around in the ballroom, or Cesar's gun, people who saw Sirhan Sirhan with the Polka Dot Lady many times before the assassination, and on and on and on....the complexity was/is IMMENSE - not small. And when you throw in the obvious cover-up from the get-go to the day after the cows come home, it is even more complex.
I hope Pepper is able to get some justice, but if he does it will be quite a miracle as he is up against the most powerful and secret forces in the USA. They don't want the Truth out - nor what they have REALLY been doing all along, and are intent to do with ever increasing regularity and force.

I do NOT see where simplicity comes into this at all.

[Tom Bowden]

I believe very much in the second gun. I am really tired of certain conspiracy theorists mudding the water with all the mish mash of brain washing and elaborate conspiracies. Quite simple, Sirhan was used because of his relationship with the polka dot lady. The lady has passed away. Until Sirhan admits his relationship, there will be not solution. The most effective conspiracies are simple and straight forward. The more elaborate one makes the assassination, the less likely a legal solution with be obtained.

It is not 'conspiracy theory'...we are talking about CONSPIRACY FACTS. I really bristle at the term 'conspiracy theorists' and suggest you re-evaluate using that here. Sirhan Sirhan definitely was subjected to mind control and he seemed to have had a few who subjected him to that which have been named. The 'Polka Dot Lady' was quite obviously part of the signal to go into post-hypnotic state [her dress and likely something she also said to him]. The conspiracies I've studied have been very elaborate and were intentionally made to be so, to make peering through the smoke or realizing there were mirrors that much more difficult. While that does, yes, complicate a 'legal solution' the real problem is there is NO DESIRE, let alone WILL on the part of the 'government' or 'prosecutors' or anyone else in 'authority' to get to the bottom of something they damn well know, or suspect, will show a high[est] level conspiracy to murder and obstruction of justice - of whole agencies of government, of whole police departments, of prosecutors, of exposing the secret governmental structures. Still waiting for a 'legal solution' on JFK - the ONLY real one [Garrison's] was subverted by CIA, FBI and many others. Ditto RFK, MLK and lots of others. It was complex and trying to wish it simple is IMHO not on target and only wishful thinking. We're in deep shit in the USA. The secret state kills anyone anytime, does back-to-back illegal wars, has a growing police-state, spies on everyone all the time electronically, maintains a permanent War OF Terror, does endless government overthrows [including our own], drug deals, illegal weapons sales, dirty-tricks, black propaganda, trickle-up theft, vote stealing, having purchased the media, politicians mostly bought, packed the Supreme Court, controls who can and can not run for office-even when office holders are but puppets in most cases, false-flag operations up the yazoo.......it is not a simple case nor is it a simple situation in which we find ourselves.
And the reason Sirhan hasn't 'come clean' on the Polka Dot Lady is he was programmed not to remember any of that.....and they [THEY!] are not likely to let him be deprogrammed to remember that. Another layer of complexity....and there are other layers I could name and would be glad to. I could get into Pena, or the extra bullets [too many to have come from S.S.'s gun] in door frames [that were disappeared by the LAPD], or the CIA guys hanging around in the ballroom, or Cesar's gun, people who saw Sirhan Sirhan with the Polka Dot Lady many times before the assassination, and on and on and on....the complexity was/is IMMENSE - not small. And when you throw in the obvious cover-up from the get-go to the day after the cows come home, it is even more complex.
I hope Pepper is able to get some justice, but if he does it will be quite a miracle as he is up against the most powerful and secret forces in the USA. They don't want the Truth out - nor what they have REALLY been doing all along, and are intent to do with ever increasing regularity and force.

I do NOT see where simplicity comes into this at all.

My definition of a conspiracy theorist is a person who never conducts an active investigation but reads books, reports, etc then regurgitates them in whatever forum they chose. I am not calling anyone here a theorist. I have been inside Thane Cesar's house in Simi Valley, checked out his finances in county and financial records and paid a criminalist to thoroughly document his gun. I have personally seen H18602 in its original evidence bag. This came about through meetings with two different crime families in Los Angeles and Las Vegas. I spent considerable time with Adele Sirhan, Ted Charach, Lawrence Teter and Thomas Noguichi. I have communicated with Sirhan Sirhan but not since he signed on with Dr. Pepper. Yes I have read most books on the subject as well. I have copies of the FBI ballistics report and stood in the Pantry at the Ambassador Hotel. In my thirteen years as head of the Conspiracy Museum, I have heard most everybody's favorite solution. I also have my favorite one and it does not include an elaborate mind control operation.

[Peter Lemkin]

APRIL 5, 2013 | RUSS BAKER

RFK ASSASSINATION LEGAL CASE UPDATE

Recent legal filings on behalf of Sirhan Sirhan, jailed 45 years ago in the death of Robert F. Kennedy, reveal new evidence suggestive of a larger conspiracy. The filings also enumerate examples of obstructive tactics by a government representativecontortions reminiscent of the Warren Commission's incredible, acrobatic magic bullet that was essential in creating consensus for a lone wolf assassin in the death of RFK's elder brother, John. (If you'd like to read those filings, we've posted them here and[B] here.)[/B]
[B][B]Another "Patsy"?[/B][/B]
[B][B]Sirhan, the man almost everyone believes killed Robert F. Kennedy (and did so alone), is seeking a new trial. Sirhan's current attorney, William Pepper, who also served as James Earl Ray's final lawyer and believed that Ray had been set up, is seeking to convince the US District Court for the Central District of California not to accept a report from a magistrate judge, Andrew J. Wistrich, advising that the new trial request be dismissed. It's up to the district court to decide whether to proceed.[/B][/B]
[B][B]Although Sirhan pled guilty at his original trial in 1969, Pepper contends that Sirhan was betrayed by a lead member of his original legal team, Grant Cooper, who Pepper notes was himself under federal indictment at the time for illegally possessing grand jury proceedings in another famous case, involving card cheating at the Beverly Hills Friar's Club. Cooper, who faced possible jail time for that, ended up being let off with a $1000 fine. Intriguingly, his client in the Friar's affair, John Roselli, was an organized crime figure with CIA ties often named as a possible conspirator in the death of President John F. Kennedy.[/B][/B]
[B][B]The defense had Sirhan admit guilt and sought to portray him as both mentally deficient and acting on impulse. Pepper notes that the attorney's personal vulnerability was known to the judge and prosecution, and that they nevertheless said nothing while Sirhan's real interests were not represented, and exculpatory evidence was suppressed. Although Sirhan confessed to shooting at Robert Kennedy, he later said that he could remember nothing at all of that tragic day.[/B][/B]
[B][B]Now, Pepper is requesting a chance to come to court and offer two kinds of evidence facts known at the time but not presented to Sirhan's jury, and facts that have come to light since the trial. The fundamental claim is that Sirhan was genuinely unaware of his actions on June 5, 1968 when he did, in fact, bring a gun to the pantry of the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles and shortly after midnight fire at Kennedy from the front. Pepper wants to introduce expert testimony that Sirhan was a guinea pig in a super-secret program to hypnotize people and turn them into unwitting killers. As crazy as this may sound at first blush, the United States government is on record as admitting to research in broad areas of mind control, particularly with regard to the CIA's MKULTRA program, which among other things wanted to determine whether people could be made into killing machines. (For more on MKULTRA historically, see this, and more recently, including threats to Obama's safety, see this.)[/B][/B]
[B][B]Pepper and his experts believe that Sirhan was selected to be the patsy in RFK's death, distracting everyone while a professional assassin fired the fatal shots unobtrusively from inches behind Kennedyfrom a crouched position in the crush of people so his actions would not be noticed, milliseconds after Sirhan shot and missed and was immobilized.[/B][/B]
[B][B]Pepper's key argument is that Sirhan, by all accounts, was positioned several feet in front of Kennedy (who was moving toward him), while forensic evidence and extensive eyewitness testimony shows that Kennedy was actually hit in the back from just inches away.[/B][/B]
[B][B]***[/B][/B]
[B][B]In his filing, Pepper writes:[/B][/B]
[B][B]Inadvertantly [sic], the Report begins by actually supporting Petitioner's claim of actual innocence. It states: "As Senator Kennedy stopped to shake hands with hotel employees, Petitioner walked toward him extending his arm. Instead of shaking Senator Kennedy's hand, Petitioner shot him."(CD 199 at p.1)[/B][/B]
[B][B]This recitation of the activity leading up to the shooting is a virtual admission of Petitioner's innocence since Senator Kennedy was hit by three bullets, fired in an upward angle (indicating that the shooter may have been kneeling behind the Senator) from behind him, by a weapon pressed up against his back with the fatal shot fired about an inch behind his right ear. All shots left powder burns on the back of his jacket and on his skin behind his right ear.[/B][/B]
[B][B]The Report explicitly acknowledges, along with the statements of twelve eye witnesses, that Petitioner was, at all times, in front of the Senator, where, as the Report confirms, the Petitioner could have shaken hands with him.[/B][/B]
[B][B]Petitioner questions whether further comment is necessary in light of this embarrassingly absurd factual foundation for the recommendation that the Petition be dismissed.[/B][/B]
[B][B]Pepper contends that the magistrate, in arguing against a new trial, totally ignored the factual material while focusing on procedural issues. In essence, the dispute comes down to whether those procedural issues can or should trump the notion of "actual innocence."[/B][/B]
[B][B]***[/B][/B]
[B][B]In support of their contention, Sirhan's team wants to present an audio recording made by a freelance journalist, Stanislaw Pruszynski, in the Ambassador Hotel's pantry at the time of the shooting:[/B][/B]
[B][B]The sounds on that tape, when analyzed with a computerized technology not available at the time of the assassination, clearly reveal that thirteen shots were fired, coming from two different directions west to east and east to west.[/B][/B]
[B][B]The magistrate has criticized Sirhan's team for not bringing the tape forward earlier, since it has been available since 1988. But Pepper says that this is an absurd objection since the technology to analyze the sounds on the tape only became available in 2005. In arguing against a new trial for Sirhan, the magistrate cites competing "naked ear" analyses of the tape by "experts" who did not have access to the computer program. Pepper, in turn, casts doubt on the ability, motive and track record of one of those "experts".[/B][/B]
[B][B][B]Not the Ideal Attorney[/B][/B][/B]
[B][B]The fact that at this late date we still can't agree on what happened on June 5 goes back to the very beginnings of the case. If Sirhan had been represented by capable attorneys determined to learn the truth about the politically fraught second murder of a Kennedy brother in five years, things might have turned out differently. Instead, his attorneys persuaded Sirhan to plead guilty in hopes of avoiding the death penalty; Sirhan put up no resistance to this strategy since, as he would later reveal, he had zero recall of what happened on the night of the shooting. He was sentenced to the death penalty anyway, though several years later the sentence was commuted to life in prison after California abolished the death penalty.[/B][/B]
[B][B]Pepper, in his recent filing, directs much of his outrage at attorney Grant Cooper:[/B][/B]
[B][B]As a matter of record he accepted, without even the most perfunctory examination or challenge, all of the State's ballistic evidence…. As a result, defense Counsel Cooper's indictment [for illegally possessing grand jury proceedings in another case] went away. He was rewarded for obtaining the guilty plea and death penalty sentence….[/B][/B]
[B][B]Indeed, here's what Cooper said in his closing remarks:[/B][/B]
[B][B]"Now, let me state at the outset that I want this to sink in if anything sinks inwe are not here to free a guilty man. We tell you as we always have, that he is guilty of having killed Senator Kennedy….we expect that under the evidence in this case, whether Mr. Sirhan likes it or not, under the facts of this case, he deserves to spend the rest of his life in the penitentiary….Don't we know from dozens and dozens of witnesses that this defendant pulled the trigger that killed Senator Kennedy?…there is no question about that."…"I wouldn't want Sirhan Sirhan to be turned loose as he is dangerous, especially when the psychiatrists tell us that he is going to get worse and he is getting worse. There is a good Sirhan and a bad Sirhan and the bad Sirhan is nasty… we as lawyers owe the obligation to do what we think is right to the fullest extent of our ability but we also owe an obligation to society. And, I, for one, am not going to ask you to do otherwise than to bring in a verdict of guilty in the second degree."[/B][/B]
[B][B]It takes a moment to realize that this is not the prosecutor, but the defense lawyer. No wonder most of us take for granted that Sirhan Sirhan killed Robert Kennedyand acted alone.[/B][/B]
[B][B]Pepper again:[/B][/B]
[B][B]Throughout his closing argument, Petitioner's Trial Counsel never lost an opportunity to praise the prosecution's case and the prosecutors themselves. He, continually, strangely, elevated them, and the prosecution's case in the jury's eyes.[/B][/B]
[B][B][B]Frontal AssaultFrom the Back[/B][/B][/B]
[B][B]Pepper, who first filed for a new trial in 2011, wants the chance to present a court with his new evidence: the Pruszyinski tape, impartial eyewitness accounts, (i.e., all twelve witnesses who say Sirhan always was in front of the Senator), and other evidence, including testimony from Dr. Daniel Brown of Harvard, a specialist in hypnosis and trauma memory, who has spent more than 70 hours examining Sirhan since 2008.[/B][/B]
[B][B]Among the intriguing elements the magistrate did not mention in his report: some question exists about the original trial evidencewhich is crucial to establishing whether Sirhan was the assassin or whether someone else killed Kennedy. Indeed, Sirhan's trial counsel did not ask the Los Angeles County Medical Examiner to confirm that the bullet slug presented as evidence was the same one he removed from Senator Kennedy's neck. At the time of the autopsy, the examiner had marked the slug "TN31." In the intervening years, Pepper says, Sirhan's defense has learned that the slug introduced during the trial appears to have had the mark "DWTN"suggesting it was not from the same gun.[/B][/B]
[B][B]If forensic evidence does indicate that Kennedy was killed by shots from behind, how can that be squared with the sworn statements of 12 witnesses who assert that they saw Sirhan in front of the senator, with the senator facing in his direction. In addition, one of the bullets that went into Kennedy's head was fired from just inches behind his right ear, but no witnesses saw Sirhan behind Kennedy, much less close enough to have fired at that range. (All five witnesses who testified at Sirhan's trial stated that he was in front of Kennedy.)[/B][/B]
[B][B]One witness, Karl Uecker, a maître d' at the hotel, was leading Kennedy by the hand through the crowded pantry. After Kennedy stopped to shake hands with a dishwasher, Uecker again took him by the hand and began moving forward. It was while they were on the move that Uecker heard a shot, saw Sirhan in front of him, grabbed for the gun and forced Sirhan onto a steam table.[/B][/B]
[B][B]Even the magistrate who opposes giving Sirhan a new trial accepts that Sirhan was in front of Kennedy. His explanation of the discrepancy is that Kennedy turned his head at the last minute to shake hands with people in the crowd, making it possible for Sirhan's bullets to enter the back of his head. Two of the other three shots that hit Kennedy entered his back at powder-burn range from less than an inch away. (The bullets in the back appear to have been fired before the head shot, since that one brought Kennedy instantly to the floor.)[/B][/B]
[B][B]So, according to the magistrate's Report, Sirhan somehow got several bullets into Kennedy's back from close range and the fatal bullet into the back of his headeven though Uecker himself was between Kennedy and Sirhan, and Uecker asserts that at no point could Sirhan's gun have been closer than a foot-and-a-half from Kennedy. The magistrate, having accepted that Sirhan's hand was pinned to a table soon after several frontal shots missed, asserts that he nonetheless was able to get off the successful rounds from that position.[/B][/B]
[B][B]Pepper minces no words in expressing his outrage at the magistrate's narrative of the assassination:[/B][/B]
[B][B]The scenario put forward by the Report is errant nonsense. It is embarrassing to say the least and though it may have been due to the Magistrate's reliance upon uninformed Clerks, it should not see the light of day, much less be submitted to the habeas Judge.[/B][/B]
[B][B]But if that long-accepted scenario makes no sense, the implication is clear:[/B][/B]
[B][B]The question remains as to who fired the other three previous shots at close range from the rear. Once again, the Report ignores this critical fact.[/B][/B]
[B][B]Significantly, Pepper brings in the recent testimony of Nina Rhodes-Hughes, who says that Kennedy was not turned around, but was facing forward, when the shots were fired. Rhodes-Hughes is certain there was a second shooter.[/B][/B]
[B][B]I've discussed the case on several occasions with Pepper, as well as with former union official Paul Schrade, who was walking six to eight feet behind Kennedy and was himself wounded by a stray bullet. Schrade insists, and told the FBI at the time, that Kennedy was facing Sirhan when the shooting began.[/B][/B]
[B][B][B]Hypno Programming and a Second Shooter[/B][/B][/B]
[B][B]The Sirhan case was always, on the surface at least, open-and-shut. As if being apprehended with a gun at the scene wasn't enough, police found Sirhan's highly incriminating diaries, replete with declarations that RFK should die.[/B][/B]
[B][B]But some wondered whether he wasn't too textbook-perfect a culprit.[/B][/B]
[B][B]Indeed, the cumulative evidence that has come out over the years suggests that things were far more complicated. Witnesses saw Sirhan with a woman in a polka-dotted dress; she was seen fleeing the scene, and heard to brag about having participated in the Kennedy hit. A man also was seen fleeing, gun in hand. And of course there was all that evidence that Sirhan could not have fired the fatal shots.[/B][/B]
[B][B]The clincher was Sirhan's amnesia. What could that be about? As for Sirhan's ranting in several spiral notebooks, some experts came to wonder if he had produced them while in a hypnotic state. In 1969, in the presence of several experts/witnesses, Sirhan, under hypnosis, engaged in "automatic writing." After he was awakened, he remembered none of it.[/B][/B]
[B][B]This leads us to the recent work of Daniel Brown, a Harvard psychologist. Based on having spent more than 70 hours interviewing Sirhan at Pleasant Valley State Prison in California, Dr. Brown has concluded that, for some time prior to the events at the Ambassador Hotel, Sirhan had been hypnotizedand not just hypnotized but "hypno-programmed".[/B][/B]
[B][B]In his filing with the district court, Pepper notes that both Brown and a collaborator, former Georgetown Law Professor Alan Scheflin, are specialists in the fields of brainwashing, mind control, coercive persuasion and the anti-social uses of hypnosis. Brown, also an expert on memory and trauma, has testified before the Hague Tribunal on war crimes. Brown and Scheflin have studied the use of hypnosis by the CIA and other government agencies. Their conclusion: hypnosis can be, and indeed has been, used to induce anti-social behavior. Even the hypnosis researcher cited by the magistrate in opposition to Sirhan getting a new trial, says that "participants, regardless of whether hypnosis is used, are highly motivated to respond to the demands of the particular context…and will readily perform what appear to be dangerous and antisocial acts if required to do so."[/B][/B]
[B][B]Brown concludes that the widely believed assertion that Sirhan was schizophrenic is incorrectand two prison psychologists concur with that opinion. Instead, Brown has identified Sirhan as uniquely suited to mind control, one of the very small minority of the public deeply susceptible to programming. Brown further suspects that Sirhan was subjected to a combination of drugs, hypnosis, sensory deprivation, and suggestive influence. It's interesting to note that two years before the Kennedy killing, Sirhan had fallen from a horse, and saw at least nine doctors over the next 15 months. Much of Sirhan's activity in the year before the assassination remains murky to this day. Under hypnosis by Dr. Brown several years ago, Sirhan recalled a sort of handler with a distinctive mustache who spoke with a foreign accent. He also remembered going to a gun range to learn to shoot at vital human organs. A police report actually corroborates Sirhan being at that same gun range with a man of exactly that description.[/B][/B]
[B][B]Although it would seem to Sirhan's advantage to provide Brown with the recollections he produced, clinical hypnosis doesn't work that way.[/B][/B]
[B][B]In recent years, Dr. Brown was able to repeat the experiment with "automatic writing" and go much further with this research. Among other things, Brown learned that Sirhan had been a ham radio enthusiast, going on air nearly every evening prior to the assassinationand would often enter a hypnotic state while doing so. This gave rise to the possibility that Sirhan received hypnotic suggestions via short wave radio. In a test, Brown was able to get Sirhan, while in a trance, to write incriminating thingswhich he denied writing when out of the trance.[/B][/B]
[B][B]***[/B][/B]
[B][B]Writes Pepper in his most recent submission:[/B][/B]
[B][B]Will the [district court] accept the magistrate's report and quash the request for a new trial? Or will we see a break in the case? As my French colleagues, who have reviewed this file sayLes jeux sont faites. The game is up.[/B][/B]
[B][B]But is it? The judge handling the case will presumably be under intense pressure not to permit a new trial. Consider the Pandora's box that could open. If the public were to learn to distrust the official version of yet another assassination that changed the course of American history, where would this all end? Before long, people might wonder what happened to Martin Luther King, to labor leader Walter Reuther, to all of the leading lights that were extinguished one after another in the last century.[/B][/B]
[B][B]It will take the active interest of the public and the mediaand some improbable heroism on the part of the latterto keep up the pressure until "justice" becomes more than just another word for blind acceptance of the government-sanctioned status quo.[/B][/B]
[B][B][/B][/B]

[R.K. Locke]

I believe very much in the second gun. I am really tired of certain conspiracy theorists mudding the water with all the mish mash of brain washing and elaborate conspiracies. Quite simple, Sirhan was used because of his relationship with the polka dot lady. The lady has passed away. Until Sirhan admits his relationship, there will be not solution. The most effective conspiracies are simple and straight forward. The more elaborate one makes the assassination, the less likely a legal solution with be obtained.

It is not 'conspiracy theory'...we are talking about CONSPIRACY FACTS. I really bristle at the term 'conspiracy theorists' and suggest you re-evaluate using that here. Sirhan Sirhan definitely was subjected to mind control and he seemed to have had a few who subjected him to that which have been named. The 'Polka Dot Lady' was quite obviously part of the signal to go into post-hypnotic state [her dress and likely something she also said to him]. The conspiracies I've studied have been very elaborate and were intentionally made to be so, to make peering through the smoke or realizing there were mirrors that much more difficult. While that does, yes, complicate a 'legal solution' the real problem is there is NO DESIRE, let alone WILL on the part of the 'government' or 'prosecutors' or anyone else in 'authority' to get to the bottom of something they damn well know, or suspect, will show a high[est] level conspiracy to murder and obstruction of justice - of whole agencies of government, of whole police departments, of prosecutors, of exposing the secret governmental structures. Still waiting for a 'legal solution' on JFK - the ONLY real one [Garrison's] was subverted by CIA, FBI and many others. Ditto RFK, MLK and lots of others. It was complex and trying to wish it simple is IMHO not on target and only wishful thinking. We're in deep shit in the USA. The secret state kills anyone anytime, does back-to-back illegal wars, has a growing police-state, spies on everyone all the time electronically, maintains a permanent War OF Terror, does endless government overthrows [including our own], drug deals, illegal weapons sales, dirty-tricks, black propaganda, trickle-up theft, vote stealing, having purchased the media, politicians mostly bought, packed the Supreme Court, controls who can and can not run for office-even when office holders are but puppets in most cases, false-flag operations up the yazoo.......it is not a simple case nor is it a simple situation in which we find ourselves.
And the reason Sirhan hasn't 'come clean' on the Polka Dot Lady is he was programmed not to remember any of that.....and they [THEY!] are not likely to let him be deprogrammed to remember that. Another layer of complexity....and there are other layers I could name and would be glad to. I could get into Pena, or the extra bullets [too many to have come from S.S.'s gun] in door frames [that were disappeared by the LAPD], or the CIA guys hanging around in the ballroom, or Cesar's gun, people who saw Sirhan Sirhan with the Polka Dot Lady many times before the assassination, and on and on and on....the complexity was/is IMMENSE - not small. And when you throw in the obvious cover-up from the get-go to the day after the cows come home, it is even more complex.
I hope Pepper is able to get some justice, but if he does it will be quite a miracle as he is up against the most powerful and secret forces in the USA. They don't want the Truth out - nor what they have REALLY been doing all along, and are intent to do with ever increasing regularity and force.

I do NOT see where simplicity comes into this at all.

My definition of a conspiracy theorist is a person who never conducts an active investigation but reads books, reports, etc then regurgitates them in whatever forum they chose. I am not calling anyone here a theorist. I have been inside Thane Cesar's house in Simi Valley, checked out his finances in county and financial records and paid a criminalist to thoroughly document his gun. I have personally seen H18602 in its original evidence bag. This came about through meetings with two different crime families in Los Angeles and Las Vegas. I spent considerable time with Adele Sirhan, Ted Charach, Lawrence Teter and Thomas Noguichi. I have communicated with Sirhan Sirhan but not since he signed on with Dr. Pepper. Yes I have read most books on the subject as well. I have copies of the FBI ballistics report and stood in the Pantry at the Ambassador Hotel. In my thirteen years as head of the Conspiracy Museum, I have heard most everybody's favorite solution. I also have my favorite one and it does not include an elaborate mind control operation.

What is your solution?

[Ashley Wood]

There is another thread on this forum about dead rock stars. Someone linked an interview with "some guy" who casually mentioned that Brian Jones was planning to form a band with John Lennon and Jimi Hendrix. A thread reply to this was wow i didn't know that, that would have been some band.
Well i think that's exactly the kind of "conspiracy theorist" Tom is talking about. Does everyone here simply believe everything without checking it out ?
Anyone with a half decent knowledge of the Stones, Hendrix and the Fabulous Foursome would be able to tell you that that was complete bollocks with absolutely no evidence to support it and with all circumstantial evidence pointing completely the other way (obviously we cannot ask John, Jimi and Brian directly) and yet some dumbass here is suddenly saying oh what a shame that didn't happen it would've been a great band blah blah (no it wouldn't - for many reasons as any musician could probably explain).
It's the kind of crap that leads to Paul is dead rather than Prayer Man or something at least half worthwhile.

While i'm fairly firmly in the "standard" Sirhan camp, I am intrigued by what Tom may have to offer even though it runs contrary to what i believe. In many ways the key to this is the girl in the polka dot dress. It would appear to be fairly undeniable that she is involved but i am more than extremely interested in what Tom has to say and if that is a solution devoid of Manchurian Candidates then so be it. I have followed Dr Pepper's work from MLK through to this and i believe he is one of the good guys but perhaps it comes down to something simpler and other to what we may currently believe. I'd be really interested in what Tom may have found out. Both he and Bill Pepper have stated they know who the polka dot dress girl was/is. Have they reached the same conclusion re her identity....i'd love to know.
However, while i still believe in the "brainwash" scenario, i'd be happier (and less paranoid) with a simpler solution which we should not simply dismiss until we're allowed to check it out.
I agree that simpler solutions are often the answer - i very much doubt that Fermat's last theorem notes bore any resemblance to the way it was solved a few years back or in musical terms, Brian Wilson's and Van Dyke Park's 21st Century version of Smile matched up with the 1966 intention which was a far simpler construct as opposed to a live concert/cd 3 part song cycle which would have been improbable in the day of 2-sided LP's.

If Tom has an alternate "solution" to the RFK assassination i would hope that we will see his research before too long.
I do not believe (on the available evidence) that Sirhan killed Bobby Kennedy. It does not seem possible. Tom is merely suggesting that it is the case that someone else did indeed kill RFK but the ultimate scenario is not what we thought.
Perhaps Tom can explain what the polka dot dress girls affiliations and motives were. Heck even tell us who she was so we can check out her nose and other attributes which did not go unnoticed for reasons Lisa Pease comically noted.
I was gonna ask for her address so i could nip round for a cup of coffee with lots of cream and lots of sugar but given that he believes her dead it would be a wasted journey.
I would not rush to judgement to jump on Mr Bowden simply because his "ultimate theory" does not fit our own. He is after all still saying that Sirhan did not kill RFK.
I believe that.
Sometimes (speaking as a very longtime lurker rather than a researcher in this area which i am not) we may do better to focus on what we agree on rather than what we disagree on.
Finally, Peter Lemkin said that people who subjected Sirhan to mind control have been named - well .
I don't want to be confrontational but what exactly is the really hard evidence that William J Bryan Jnr did it ? He allegedly suggested it on a phone-in that it had been done possibly by someone - is there a tape of that call ??? and boasted to a couple of hookers.....Peter if that's all there is on him that's not evidence.
I'm a music researcher and you are far more versed in this particular field but i've heard rumours about impossible Beatles/Stones/Hendrix etc. tapes started on far less evidence than that. I would never accept those kind of statements as evidence if i was trying to establish the veracity of the existence of a rare Beatle tape or Hendrix concert recording.
I've always found that accusation troubling, even though as i said, i do currently believe there was some kind of hypnosis/brainwashing going on.
Now here's Tom with the weather.....