It's not about bragging, it's about truth

[Lauren Johnson]

with the caveat that the people who pulled the trigger(s) were not the same people who actually Sponsored the plot.

This phrase is the important thing. Whomever gave the go order are way above the pay grade of your Cubans. I think you make a decent case for the trigger men.

I think Allen Dulles and Nelson Rockefeller are names that get you a lot closer.

[Scott Kaiser]

with the caveat that the people who pulled the trigger(s) were not the same people who actually Sponsored the plot.

This phrase is the important thing. Whomever gave the go order are way above the pay grade of your Cubans. I think you make a decent case for the trigger men.

I think Allen Dulles and Nelson Rockefeller are names that get you a lot closer.

What's more important, the chicken, or the rooster? gave orders? I don't think that after the Bay of Pigs no one had to give any orders, if someone ordered you to jump off a bridge would you? Is someone who ordered the men to kill Kennedy more important then the ones who pulled the trigger? We think differently.

[Tracy Riddle]

with the caveat that the people who pulled the trigger(s) were not the same people who actually Sponsored the plot.

This phrase is the important thing. Whomever gave the go order are way above the pay grade of your Cubans. I think you make a decent case for the trigger men.

I think Allen Dulles and Nelson Rockefeller are names that get you a lot closer.

What's more important, the chicken, or the rooster? gave orders? I don't think that after the Bay of Pigs no one had to give any orders, if someone ordered you to jump off a bridge would you? Is someone who ordered the men to kill Kennedy more important then the ones who pulled the trigger? We think differently.

I agree that it's more important to know who organized the plot. Twenty years ago, I thought it was entirely the work of a few angry Cuban exiles and mobsters and rogue CIA people. Today, I see too many elements that point to a higher-level plot - like the security stripping in the motorcade, the military autopsy, and many other things - at least involving some of the Joint Chiefs, military intelligence, higher level CIA people. Above them, who knows?

[Lauren Johnson]

What's more important, the chicken, or the rooster? gave orders? I don't think that after the Bay of Pigs no one had to give any orders, if someone ordered you to jump off a bridge would you? Is someone who ordered the men to kill Kennedy more important then the ones who pulled the trigger? We think differently.

Tracy, well said.

Scott, what I read from the above quote is that Jack Kennedy got what he deserved. To me, it's worse than LHO as a lone nut.

[R.K. Locke]

What do you do? Gather as much evidence as you can to support your claim and present it to the world; with the caveat that the people who pulled the trigger(s) were not the same people who actually Sponsored the plot.

What I do exactly is gather evidence, facts, testimonoes. Then I lay out all my cards on the table and say, here it is.


For the record, I never, ever, mentioned a name or uttered a word in over eight years as to who killed Kennedy, because, before I start pointing fingers at anyone. I need to make absolutely sure I am correct. And, there is no doubt as to who was involved. I just don't pull some name out of thin air, I back up what I say.

That's good. When will you present the evidence?

[Scott Kaiser]

with the caveat that the people who pulled the trigger(s) were not the same people who actually Sponsored the plot.

This phrase is the important thing. Whomever gave the go order are way above the pay grade of your Cubans. I think you make a decent case for the trigger men.

I think Allen Dulles and Nelson Rockefeller are names that get you a lot closer.

What's more important, the chicken, or the rooster? gave orders? I don't think that after the Bay of Pigs no one had to give any orders, if someone ordered you to jump off a bridge would you? Is someone who ordered the men to kill Kennedy more important then the ones who pulled the trigger? We think differently.

I agree that it's more important to know who organized the plot. Twenty years ago, I thought it was entirely the work of a few angry Cuban exiles and mobsters and rogue CIA people. Today, I see too many elements that point to a higher-level plot - like the security stripping in the motorcade, the military autopsy, and many other things - at least involving some of the Joint Chiefs, military intelligence, higher level CIA people. Above them, who knows?

Tracy,

To some degree, I agree, however, to really understand the assassination, I would ask the question, why would they need to cover it up. LBJ right from the get-go covered up the assassination as soon as the limo hit the Ford factory, and the car was stripped, all evidence was lost. The autopsy, the altered, Zfilm, X-rays, photos and so on, why was everything tapered with? When you think about it, it's a real easy answer. LBJ needed to covered this up regardless of the circumstances, but why? To avoid WWIII, invading Cuba or blaming the Russians, then all hell would break out. Even Fidel Castro gave a six hour speech the very next day that's how fast news traveled because he feared an invasion.


You see Tracy, my father worked with many men who were involved in blowing up ships, Russians freighters, and Cuban finishing boats, ships that were docked in port that would have a time delayed bomb on them so when they reached open waters, the bomb would go off, and the ship would sink. This way those who were responsible could also claim plausible deniability. There was a time my father tried to prevent a Russian ship from getting bombed. So, why was all this going on?

Because if they couldn't continue invading Cuba, and continue making runs into Cuba because the government was cracking down on them the only other way was to start a war that would drag America into with Cuba. However, Russia would have possibly gotten involved, to avoid this, a giant cover up was formed from the beginning, it had to take place, now, I wouldn't blow the Secret Service out the water, blaming the Secret Service for not doing their job, they did do their job, problem is, Kennedy wanted to be seen, he didn't want to be crowded with SS around his car, that was his choice, and certainly they're not going to be able to react faster than a speeding bullet unless their supermen, while there is some fault to a certain degree that can be blamed on the SS for their actions, I think that fully blaming them for what happened is false.

I could go into much more detail, but when some folks have their minds made up, it's not worth my time pointing out the obvious. This assassination was not an LBJ, Nixon, military industrial Complex, Kennedy's general, bankers, Jackie or Connally did it assassination. There's no need to have every top agency in the world going after Kennedy, if you think about it, it's the most simplest plot ever that unfolded with compartmentalized CIA trained assassins that where going to find away to start a war no matter what to free Cuba. And, this is the reason LBJ did not want to run a second term, and the reason they took out Nixon too when he shut-down JM/WAVE.

It's really not as complicated as everyone what's this to be. But everyone has a theory, and everyone wants to write a book on what they believed happened, or who they believed was involved. So, these folks writing these books write using their own creative writing, when I ask myself, why in God's name does everyone have to make Kennedy's assassination so complicated that there's now a million different theories.

Maybe, I'm just wasting my time spelling it out. Listen, I pulled my book from Trineday, I asked that it no longer be printed, and I told Kris that I would like to submit my material to a lager publisher, if it gets picked up great, if it doesn't well, that's great too. Either way, I have no agenda, but to tell my father's story, and the truth. That's all that matters to me.

Scott

[Scott Kaiser]

You see, I can almost related to this giant cover up LBJ did, that is exactly what happened to my father when the ship he was killed on changed ownership several times, then we come to find out that the ship would be last registered in the Grand Cayman Islands, that was the last place, my mother's attorney said, trying to get information from the Grand Cayman Island, was like having a Swiss Bank account. A few weeks later, the ship was taken out to deep water, and sunk, all evidence was gone.

Scott

[Scott Kaiser]

The ship was thought to be worth more the $75,000, who sinks a $100,000 ship or more? Think about it.


Scott

[Scott Kaiser]

The truth is, everyone wants to make the assassination so damned complicated, it's not.

Scott

[R.K. Locke]

What do you do? Gather as much evidence as you can to support your claim and present it to the world; with the caveat that the people who pulled the trigger(s) were not the same people who actually Sponsored the plot.

What I do exactly is gather evidence, facts, testimonoes. Then I lay out all my cards on the table and say, here it is.


For the record, I never, ever, mentioned a name or uttered a word in over eight years as to who killed Kennedy, because, before I start pointing fingers at anyone. I need to make absolutely sure I am correct. And, there is no doubt as to who was involved. I just don't pull some name out of thin air, I back up what I say.

That's good. When will you present the evidence?

Actually, don't answer this question. I've read more than enough.