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Licio Gelli, Former Head of Fascist Gladio-Connected P2 Lodge Dead
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The good, they die young. The evil, like Gelli too often live long lives as rich men in villas.....More on Gelli's past tomorrow.

Licio Gelli, a masonic grand master implicated in some of the darkest chapters of Italy's post-war history and one of the worst scandals to rock the Vatican, has died at the age of 96.
Gelli, a fascist sympathiser who was the founder and leader of of the notorious P2 masonic lodge, passed away on Tuesday evening at his villa in Arezzo, Tuscany, his family said, according to local media.
P2, or Propaganda Due, was an influential secret network that counted politicians, judges, bankers and senior military figures amongst its members.
Its tentacles stretched throughout the upper echelons of the Italian establishment, although an attempt to have its members jailed for political conspiracy and attempting to destabilise the state finally failed in 1994.
It is best known internationally for having been at the heart of a murder mystery involving both the mafia and the Vatican which centered the body of "God's banker" Roberto Calvi being found hanging beneath London's Blackfriars bridge in 1982.
Despite being outlawed in 1981, the lodge was later shown to have been involved in a major 1990s political corruption scandal known as tangentopoli (bribesville) and the creation of an anti-communist paramilitary group, Gladio.
But its global notoriety is largely down to its role in the collapse of the Vatican-linked Banco Ambrosiano.
The death of Calvi, the bank's chairman and a P2 member, was initially deemed to have been a suicide.
But subsequent investigations pointed to it having been a murder which Italian prosecutors believe was the work of the Sicilian mafia.
The organised crime syndicate had used Ambrosiano to recycle funds, some of which were moved out of Italy via the Vatican bank.
No-one was ever convicted for carrying out or commissioning Calvi's murder.
Gelli was investigated over the death but never formally indicted. The location of Blackfriars bridge was seen as indicating a link to P2 because members of the illegal group referred to themselves as 'frati neri', Italian for black friars.
- Gold ingots -Around the time of P2's outlawing, Gelli fled to Switzerland. He was arrested there in 1982 but subsequently escaped from prison and was a fugitive until 1987.
Switzerland agreed to extradite him for prosecution for his role in the Ambrosiano collapse.
First convicted in 1982, his sentence was not finally confirmed until April 1998 and he was allowed to serve that term and several others under house arrest, which he remained under until his death.
New charges of huge tax fraud were filed against him two years ago and the state has taken ownership of his villa, where, in 1982, police seized 179 gold ingots weighing 168 kilogrammes (370 pounds).
Born in Pistoia, Tuscany on April 21, 1919, Gelli first became involved in politics as part of Benito Mussolini's fascist movement and he volunteered to fight with future dictator General Francisco Franco's forces in the Spanish civil war.
He fought briefly with Italy's anti-Nazi resistants, the Partisans, at the end of World War II, but later joined the neo-fascist MSI political party.
According to Italian media, Gelli worked for the CIA during the war, a time when the US secret services also enlisted the help of the mafia in an effort to counter the influence of one of Europe's biggest Communist parties.
Having joined the freemasons in the 1960s, Gelli founded the P2 lodge in 1970 and by the time it was outlawed 11 years later it had at least 962 members, according to a list seized from his villa.
The most prominent figure known to have been in the shadowy group was Silvio Berlusconi, the media tycoon who was to go on to become prime minister.
Gelli also spent part of the 1970s in exile in Argentina, where he forged close links to the Generals who installed a military dictatorship in 1976.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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You beat me to it. This is the end of an era. But the legacy of P2, the structure -- a NATO deep state, a Gladio state, embedded within European countries and other states around the world, ready to be activated should the need arise, lives on.
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Ralf Anders Wrote:You beat me to it. This is the end of an era. But the legacy of P2, the structure -- a NATO deep state, a Gladio state, embedded within European countries and other states around the world, ready to be activated should the need arise, lives on.


I thought it was active now. Before it was the Red Brigades; now it's ISIS. Or am I missing something?
"We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --William J. Casey, D.C.I

"We will lead every revolution against us." --Theodore Herzl
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Lauren Johnson Wrote:
Ralf Anders Wrote:You beat me to it. This is the end of an era. But the legacy of P2, the structure -- a NATO deep state, a Gladio state, embedded within European countries and other states around the world, ready to be activated should the need arise, lives on.
I thought it was active now. Before it was the Red Brigades; now it's ISIS. Or am I missing something?
We don't know whether the Red Brigades were instruments of the NATO/US. There are numerous hints that they partly were -- the Hyperion language school, Mario Moretti -- especially regarding the circumstances of Aldo Moro's murder. I was thinking about Stefano delle Chiaie's fascists and Elio Ciolini who not only served as a disinformant in the Bologna case but is also directly linked to the Haemers Gang/the Brabant massacres. I believe it is more complicated with ISIS.
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I think it is interesting that Gelli apparently worked with the OSS during the War [and CIA after]...this is not talked about much...but seems to make total sense. I'd like to see more documenting this.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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Would love to be a fly on the wall at the funeral and wake... :Secret: if just to see who showed up let alone the conversations.
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Peter Lemkin Wrote:I think it is interesting that Gelli apparently worked with the OSS during the War [and CIA after]...this is not talked about much...but seems to make total sense. I'd like to see more documenting this.
Richard Brenneke testified to this end, from Wikipedia (just as a start):
Quote:In mid-1990 Brenneke provided documents to Italian journalists regarding Licio Gelli and Propaganda Due (P2), asserting CIA support for their activities.[SUP][17][/SUP] Brenneke told Rai 1 that he had been involved in CIA payments to P2 of $1$10m per month or more, with the money used to finance terrorism and drug trafficking. The CIA rejected a FOIA request regarding Gelli on grounds of national security.[SUP][18][/SUP][SUP][19][/SUP] Gelli and others were later convicted of subverting investigation into the 1980 Bologna Massacre.
The most relevant literature regarding what happened since September 11, 2001 is George Orwell's "1984".
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If memory serves correctly, I think the gold ingots found hidden on the veranda of Gelli's villa were traced back to gold stolen from Yugoslavia at the end of WWII by the Ustashe which was laundered by the Vatican bank.

There is a fascinating source of related material on another forum relating to Gelli, P2 - but also connected to a wide and international network of criminality. This is well researched and well worth reading.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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David Guyatt Wrote:If memory serves correctly, I think the gold ingots found hidden on the veranda of Gelli's villa were traced back to gold stolen from Yugoslavia at the end of WWII by the Ustashe which was laundered by the Vatican bank.

There is a fascinating source of related material on another forum relating to Gelli, P2 - but also connected to a wide and international network of criminality. This is well researched and well worth reading.

Wow! That is one hell of a list!....and a great one too - almost mind-boggling in its thoroughness. Thanks for that link Dave!


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"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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DPF search with "Gladio" in the title
"We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --William J. Casey, D.C.I

"We will lead every revolution against us." --Theodore Herzl
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