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Cliff Varnell Wrote:Trump has a documented history of racism that goes back to '73.
http://fortune.com/2016/06/07/donald-tru...sm-quotes/
Bernie closer to Trump than Obama?
Researcher, please!
Economically only. He is a sexist prick too. He may be a racist but he is supportive of undocumented workers having access to citizenship. (pre GOP days at least) But again, it is the employers who love their undocumented workers as they come cheap and don't belong to unions.
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Magda Hassan Wrote:Cliff Varnell Wrote:Trump has a documented history of racism that goes back to '73.
http://fortune.com/2016/06/07/donald-tru...sm-quotes/
Bernie closer to Trump than Obama?
Researcher, please!
Economically only.
One issue only -- opposition to the "free trade" agreements.
That's it.
Bernie wants to break up the banks; Trump has adopted Paul "Granny Killer" Ryan's economic policies featuring enormous tax breaks for the wealthy and austerity for everyone else.
They want us to pay taxes and get no services.
It'll take work to make an inventory of how different Bernie is from Trump in every respect but one...
He is a sexist prick too.
Ya think?
He may be a racist but he is supportive of undocumented workers having access to citizenship. (pre GOP days at least)
That was in the last century.
He came out of the gate in June of '15 calling Mexican immigrants rapists and murderers and vowed to round up all the undocumented and deport them en masse.
But again, it is the employers who love their undocumented workers as they come cheap and don't belong to unions.
Right to work laws are a staple of Republican policy.
http://peoplesworld.org/gop-platform-backs-national-right-to-work-law-hits-federal-workers/
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Cliff Varnell Wrote:
They want us to pay taxes and get no services.
Taxes to pay for control, i.e. cops, government and, of course, the military who can be used at home and overseas - with the rest handed out as sugar to the players.
Apply the same principal to business: no overheads only profit streams, a de facto slave economy.
It's the perfect neoliberal future.
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David Guyatt Wrote:Cliff Varnell Wrote:
They want us to pay taxes and get no services.
Taxes to pay for control, i.e. cops, government and, of course, the military who can be used at home and overseas - with the rest handed out as sugar to the players.
Apply the same principal to business: no overheads only profit streams, a de facto slave economy.
It's the perfect neoliberal future.
Right back where the mass of the People were in feudal times...or even much further back.....now that is what I do not call progress.....welcome back to neofeudalism, neoancientRome, neoancientEgypt et al.!
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The US Establishment's Secret Plan To Hand Trump the Presidency
Pepe Escobar, 18 August 2016
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/co...db4234be42
"Underneath all this sound and fury, something else is (quietly) going on. Powerful business interests discreetly supporting Trump and away from the media circus are convinced he's got the road map to victory."
Quote:Hillary Clinton, Queen of Chaos, Queen of War, Golden Goldman Girl, for all practical purposes is by now the official bipartisan candidate of US neocons and neoliberalcons alike.
Certified add-ons include Wall Street; selected hedge funds; TPP cheerleaders; CFR(Council on Foreign Relations) interventionists; media barons; multinational corporate hustlers; in fact virtually the whole exceptionalist US establishment, duly underwritten by the bipartisan, mega-wealthy 0.0001%.
That does leave Donald J. Trump in the astonishing position of egomaniac billionaire outsider who somehow dreams he can game the whole system on his own, moved by his inexhaustible chutzpah.
It's under this dynamic that Trump has been demonized with medieval fervor by US corporate media. His non-stop motormouth and motortweet certainly does not help, conveying the impression he's in the business of antagonizing multitudes non-stop. For the establishment, his billions mean nothing; he's treated like a bum. He may be impervious to empathy; on the other hand that kind of treatment keeps earning him widespread sympathy among the angry, semi-destitute, non-college educated white masses.
A US industrial renaissance?
Underneath all this sound and fury, something else is (quietly) going on. Powerful business interests discreetly supporting Trump and away from the media circus are convinced he's got the road map to victory. The question is whether he may be able to tame his erratic behavior to seal the deal.
His key message, according to these backers, must revolve around the destruction of US industries by rigged currencies, and the "destruction of the wages of American workers by importing illegal cheap labor from dollar-a-day wage nations."
And that comes with an all-important military angle as a surefire selling point. As Trump's backers outline it, "the Pacific Ocean cannot be used for transporting the vital and essential components of our military industrial complex, for in the event of war withRussia or China their advanced silent submarines equipped with advanced anti-ship weapons will block all of our ocean transport, collapsing our military industrial production in any war with catastrophic consequences. These component factories for Intel and others must be repatriated at once through currency adjustments or tariffs."
So Trump should hammer the message that all new bank credit must be tied to rebuilding destroyed US industries, "either by ending currency rigging or applying tariffs." Bank credit, Trump backers argue, "should not be used for currency manipulation, or for cash settlement market rigging. There should be no bank credit for speculation and absolutely none for hedge funds. Let's wipe these speculative vehicles out by huge taxes on short-term trading profits, ending tax concessions on borrowing, and ending all bank credit for speculation. Let these people go to do real work."
That, in a nutshell, explains Wall Street's visceral aversion to Trump from the Bloombergs to the Lloyd Blankfeins. Anyone familiar with Wall Street knows every market, commodity and indexes are rigged by cash settlement manipulations. As a New York-based Trump backer puts it, "This alone is sufficient reason to support Donald J. Trump. We should make the Carl Icahans and George Soroses do real work by taxing away their speculative profits. We need Henry Fords in this nation who create and build industries, and not Wall Street looters, where they rig everything as in 2008 then used their political power over bought politicians for bailouts, after throwing tens of millions of American out of their homes."
According to this road map, which is already on Trump's desk but no one knows whether he read it in full, or will implement it fighting illegal immigration and rigged currencies side by side would create nothing less than an industrial renaissance in the US to rebuild the devastated Detroits. Essentially, the road map calls for replacing millions of illegal immigrants with millions of unemployed US citizens; Trump's backers consider the real unemployment rate to be a whopping 23% today, based on the 1955 Bureau of Labor Statistical Methodology, "and not the rigged statistics of today."
The bottom line is this road map calls for Trump, if elected, to create a cross-party, or trans-party coalition as once happened in the House and Senate when Jesse Helms on one side and John Conyers and Chuck Schumer on the other side actually did real business.
This all implies Trump should become well versed in the national economy ideas of Friedrich List whose tariff-protected Zollverein League was essentially the founding method of Prussia to build the German nation.
Some of the above has already filtered out in Trump's announced economic agenda. Now comes the hard part for a man with an exceedingly short attention span who gets into the groove by tweets and sound bites; to coherently sell the plan without picking up unnecessary fights along the way.
But Vlad has already won it anyway
Polls at the moment seem to be pointing to a Hillary landslide. Trump's backers tough "would not rely on the polls. Everything is rigged."
And then there's the all-enveloping "Russian aggression" hysteria. Hillary went as far as equating President Putin to Hitler. Trump insists he's ready to do business with Moscow starting with a joint operation to end ISIS/ISIL/Daesh for good.
Why bother? The Stupidity-o-Meter as applied to US mainstream media has gone on interstellar overdrive anyway as the presidential election winner has already been christened: it's who else? the omniscient Vladimir Putin.
A business source familiar with the designs of the real Masters of the Universe cuts seriously to the chase: "As far as Russia is concerned, the issue is decided from above, and that is where the battle has been. The decision is above Hillary and Donald, and Hillary will be ordered to create a rapprochement if she is elected, if that is what is decided. If Trump wins, it is easy; and if he doesn't, then the fact he brought it up will be used as a catalyst for policy changes toward Russia. The fight is behind the scenes now."
As much as currency rigging "will be ended, as we already saw Jack Lew give out the orders to Germany and Japan", a new geoeconomic map possibly under Trump would swing towards the end of the oil price war as well. As a Trump backer puts it, "this is a national objective of the United States, as a higher price will make the United States energy independent. This is part of the significance of the Trump revolution."
According to a source close to the House of Saud, Saudis and Russians are already involved in tortuous pre-negotiations on the possibility of engineering an oil pricearound $100.00 a barrel; "There should be enough mutuality of interest between the Saudis betrayed by the US under the neocons, and to be destroyed by the neocons eventually, and the Russians who can prevent that."
An end to the oil price war may be something the Pentagon won't be able to argue about. As a Trump backer notes, "it is in the vital interest of the military-industrial complex to achieve complete energy independence, and repatriate all its military industries to the shores of the United States."
Compared to the current, 24/7 mud-wrestling match, all this may seem straight from Alice in Wonderland. There's no evidence such an ambitious and contentious agenda can be sold to movers and shakers from JP Morgan to the Koch brothers. Trump creating a cross-party, trans-party or even post-party movement will only succeed if substantial players in the Power Elite are behind it, and there are no signs of this happening.
What proceeds relentlessly is a massive disinformation campaign a ghastly remix of those good ol' Cold War anti-USSR avalanches. The Clinton Media Machine is even vilifying Michael Flynn, former head of the DIA, who supports Trump. Trump was conceptually right when he said Obama and Hillary were the founder and co-founder of ISIS/ISIL/Daesh. That's exactly what Flynn admitted in that notorious interview when he stressed that the expansion of the phony Caliphate was a "willful decision" taken in Washington.
The bottom line, as it stands, is that Trump is not raising enough cash to offset the formidable Clinton cash machine. Now comes the time when he must really take no prisoners to gain maximum exposure while trying to sell the road map outlined above, one tweet at a time.
And of course there will be a surprise October and otherwise. Nothing has been decided yet. Disraeli's Coningsby was never more appropriate; "So you see, my dear Coningsby, that the world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes."
"There are three sorts of conspiracy: by the people who complain, by the people who write, by the people who take action. There is nothing to fear from the first group, the two others are more dangerous; but the police have to be part of all three,"
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Too bad there's no one around to give Trump his own Bentsen-Quayle moment:
"You, sir, are no Henry Ford."
Except that Henry Ford also supported the Nazi Government with trucks, and spare parts. And was a notorious anti-Semite. And he probably had a mistress, and maybe an illegitimate child. At the end of his career, he was making his workers (and his children) so miserable with this abusive management style that they compared him to Hitler.
Okay, so maybe Trump is a Henry Ford.
"All that is necessary for tyranny to succeed is for good men to do nothing." (unknown)
James Tracy: "There is sometimes an undue amount of paranoia among some conspiracy researchers that can contribute to flawed observations and analysis."
Gary Cornwell (Dept. Chief Counsel HSCA): "A fact merely marks the point at which we have agreed to let investigation cease."
Alan Ford: "Just because you believe it, that doesn't make it so."
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Drew Phipps Wrote:Too bad there's no one around to give Trump his own Bentsen-Quayle moment:
"You, sir, are no Henry Ford."
Except that Henry Ford also supported the Nazi Government with trucks, and spare parts. And was a notorious anti-Semite. And he probably had a mistress, and maybe an illegitimate child. At the end of his career, he was making his workers (and his children) so miserable with this abusive management style that they compared him to Hitler.
Okay, so maybe Trump is a Henry Ford.
Hilary backs fascists in Ukriane.
Trump doesn't.
Trump is the fascist.
Hilary backs liver-eaters in Syria.
Trump doesn't.
Trump is the cynical madman.
Truly exceptional logic.
But I think I'm getting the hang of American jurisprudence.
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Somebody tell me about the Breitbart web-zine or whatever it is. What does that have to do with the price of turnips?
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James Tracy: "There is sometimes an undue amount of paranoia among some conspiracy researchers that can contribute to flawed observations and analysis."
Gary Cornwell (Dept. Chief Counsel HSCA): "A fact merely marks the point at which we have agreed to let investigation cease."
Alan Ford: "Just because you believe it, that doesn't make it so."
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A very different Trump just gave a speech in which he said the US can only be a great country if no group is left out of the American dream -- he specifically referenced African Americans. He said that in the heat of the moment, he said things he regretted and that he especially regretted the hurt it caused some people. He affirmed his commitment to building the wall. It was a far more measured and sane Trump that was quite noticeable.
I would have to think that many of his insane supporters would have to think his brain was hijacked by alien bugs.
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Paul Rigby Wrote:The US Establishment's Secret Plan To Hand Trump the Presidency
Pepe Escobar, 18 August 2016
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/co...db4234be42
"Underneath all this sound and fury, something else is (quietly) going on. Powerful business interests discreetly supporting Trump and away from the media circus are convinced he's got the road map to victory."
Quote:Hillary Clinton, Queen of Chaos, Queen of War, Golden Goldman Girl, for all practical purposes is by now the official bipartisan candidate of US neocons and neoliberalcons alike.
Certified add-ons include Wall Street; selected hedge funds; TPP cheerleaders; CFR(Council on Foreign Relations) interventionists; media barons; multinational corporate hustlers; in fact virtually the whole exceptionalist US establishment, duly underwritten by the bipartisan, mega-wealthy 0.0001%.
......
A US industrial renaissance?
Underneath all this sound and fury, something else is (quietly) going on. Powerful business interests discreetly supporting Trump and away from the media circus are convinced he's got the road map to victory. The question is whether he may be able to tame his erratic behavior to seal the deal.
His key message, according to these backers, must revolve around the destruction of US industries by rigged currencies, and the "destruction of the wages of American workers by importing illegal cheap labor from dollar-a-day wage nations."
.....
These component factories for Intel and others must be repatriated at once through currency adjustments or tariffs."
So Trump should hammer the message that all new bank credit must be tied to rebuilding destroyed US industries, "either by ending currency rigging or applying tariffs." Bank credit, Trump backers argue, "should not be used for currency manipulation, or for cash settlement market rigging. There should be no bank credit for speculation and absolutely none for hedge funds. Let's wipe these speculative vehicles out by huge taxes on short-term trading profits, ending tax concessions on borrowing, and ending all bank credit for speculation. Let these people go to do real work."
That, in a nutshell, explains Wall Street's visceral aversion to Trump from the Bloombergs to the Lloyd Blankfeins. Anyone familiar with Wall Street knows every market, commodity and indexes are rigged by cash settlement manipulations. As a New York-based Trump backer puts it, "This alone is sufficient reason to support Donald J. Trump. We should make the Carl Icahans and George Soroses do real work by taxing away their speculative profits. We need Henry Fords in this nation who create and build industries, and not Wall Street looters, where they rig everything as in 2008 then used their political power over bought politicians for bailouts, after throwing tens of millions of American out of their homes."
According to this road map, which is already on Trump's desk but no one knows whether he read it in full, or will implement it fighting illegal immigration and rigged currencies side by side would create nothing less than an industrial renaissance in the US to rebuild the devastated Detroits. Essentially, the road map calls for replacing millions of illegal immigrants with millions of unemployed US citizens; Trump's backers consider the real unemployment rate to be a whopping 23% today, based on the 1955 Bureau of Labor Statistical Methodology, "and not the rigged statistics of today."
......
Put simply it is a battle between the national bourgeoisie and the transnational bourgeoisie. Trump is fighting for the national bourgeoisie and the internationals have their puppet in Hilary.
Quote:This all implies Trump should become well versed in the national economy ideas of Friedrich List whose tariff-protected Zollverein League was essentially the founding method of Prussia to build the German nation.
Interestingly this is what Putin is moving to as well. His new Stolypin group are big on Frederich List. Would love to know who is handing this out to all the political groups.
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx
"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.
“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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