Windows 10 as spyware

[Peter Lemkin]

To keep Windows from automatically updating, go to this place:

Control Panel > System and Security > Windows Update > Change Settings

The option I like is "Search for updates but do not download and install them."

Works [to some extent] in Win 7 and 8/8.1 - does NOT work in Win 10! Also, many [not all] of the updates are spyware - see the url's I listed at the beginning. They must not be installed - ever - and if installed they MUST be removed or your system is their system! With Windows 10 - your system is their system and there is nothing you can do about it........you have actually unknowingly given your rights about this away when you hit 'yes' to the Win 10 EULA install button.

[Lauren Johnson]

To keep Windows from automatically updating, go to this place:

Control Panel > System and Security > Windows Update > Change Settings

The option I like is "Search for updates but do not download and install them."

Works [to some extent] in Win 7 and 8/8.1 - does NOT work in Win 10! Also, many [not all] of the updates are spyware - see the url's I listed at the beginning. They must not be installed - ever - and if installed they MUST be removed or your system is their system! With Windows 10 - your system is their system and there is nothing you can do about it........you have actually unknowingly given your rights about this away when you hit 'yes' to the Win 10 EULA install button.

If Dawn already has Win 10 machine, yes. I thought she was getting a "free" upgrade to 10 from 7.

Dawn, are you running Win 10. Oh wait, she can't read this. ::headbang::

[Peter Lemkin]

To keep Windows from automatically updating, go to this place:

Control Panel > System and Security > Windows Update > Change Settings

The option I like is "Search for updates but do not download and install them."

Works [to some extent] in Win 7 and 8/8.1 - does NOT work in Win 10! Also, many [not all] of the updates are spyware - see the url's I listed at the beginning. They must not be installed - ever - and if installed they MUST be removed or your system is their system! With Windows 10 - your system is their system and there is nothing you can do about it........you have actually unknowingly given your rights about this away when you hit 'yes' to the Win 10 EULA install button.

If Dawn already has Win 10 machine, yes. I thought she was getting a "free" upgrade to 10 from 7.

Dawn, are you running Win 10. Oh wait, she can't read this. ::headbang::

It is possible to DOWNGRADE from Windows 10 back to Windows 7 - but one would still have to look for the spyware 'updates' and remove any [described in the two url's near beginning of thread]. There are 'how-to's on the internet as to how to downgrade. Here is one: http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/how-to/window...y-3633149/
However, I see some warnings that if you've had a Windows 10 upgrade for more than a month, it can not be easily downgraded. This is likely complex and depends on many factors. In the worst case, it is possible to make a copy of your disk, uninstall Win 10 in the original disk. Install Windows 7 and then migrate the contents [your own information, not the programs] from the copy to the new installation...but this will take a little work and skill....and suggest you have a computer savvy person help or do this for you so you don't loose all your information! Bottom line - if less than a month since upgrade: easy to go back to Win 7. If it was a new install of Win 10 or upgrade past one month old, it gets more difficult, but is still possible.

[Albert Doyle]

New laptops are now much more lighter and trimmer because they no longer contain recordable media hardware or ports.


Manufacturers have teamed-up with the interests of government agencies in removing recordable media in favor of cloud storage. So the private business sector has now combined interests with government in formulating technology at the expense of rights. Of course the justification would be removing the need to consume materials for CD discs and burning hardware etc. However the interest of government having all data in one place where it could monitor it is never admitted. Corporations directly save money by offering less while selling your rights to the devil as a combined interest.


These massively powerful and wealthy corporations are selling themselves as the victims of market forces and as only doing what they are forced to do by those market forces.

[Lauren Johnson]

PC World

This morning, the unthinkable happened: My wife, an avowed PC user who long ago swore to never touch an Apple device, started shopping around for a Mac Mini. And it's all thanks to Windows 10. Or rather, the nasty new way that Microsoft's tricking Windows 7 and 8 users into automatically updating to Windows 10.
I adore Windows 10, but I've long been a vocal critic of the heavy-handed tactics that Microsoft's been using to force people into the upgrade, all to hit a goal of migrating 1 billion users to an operating system brimming with freemium services and ads. The annoying "Get Windows 10" pop-up began using deceiving malware-like tacticsmonths ago, but it recently received an overhaul that seems purposefully designed to confuse users who have been wearily slogging through the nagging for half a year now.
That nasty trick resulted in my wife's beloved Windows 7 PC being sneakily upgraded to Windows 10 this morning. Sure, she has 30 days to roll it back to Windows 7, but she feels so betrayedlike Microsoft forcibly removed her control over her own PCthat she's strongly considering embracing the Dark Side and buying a Mac, instead.
Even worse, the process can kick off automatically if you don't touch a thing on your computer.

UPDATE: Further reading: How to escape the Windows 10 update you mistakenly agreed to and How to go back to Windows 7 or 8 after an unwanted Windows 10 upgrade

[B]The change[/B]

In December, the Get Windows 10 (GWX) pop-up changed its verbiage in a way that mimicked malware: The only immediate options were to "Upgrade Now" or "Start download, upgrade later." An offer you can't refuse! The wording changed slightly since then, but the only way to decline the upgrade has been the same: By clicking the X button in the GWX pop-up's right-hand corner and closing the window.
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On a Windows 8.1 PC. Mostly full screen pop-up. No clear "No thanks" button, just download Windows 10 now or later.
5:17 PM - 10 Dec 2015

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Earlier this year, however, Microsoft pushed the Windows 10 download out as aRecommended update. That means anybody using the default Windows Update settingas you should be!automatically received the installation bits and a prompt to install the new OS, which again could only be refused by exiting via the X in the corner of the pop-up's window.
Last week, Microsoft altered the GWX prompt, as ZDNet covered. On the surface, it's an improvement; the box clearly states when your PC will be upgraded, and even adds a (still small and easily skippable) line that allows you to reschedule or change the upgrade timing. So far so good!
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[/URL]LumpyMayoBNI via RedditBut here's the icky part: The redesigned GWX pop-up now treats exiting the window as consent for the Windows 10 upgrade.
So after more than half a year of teaching people that the only way to say "no thanks" to Windows 10 is to exit the GWX applicationand refusing to allow users to disable the pop-up in any obvious manner, so they had to press that X over and over again during those six months to the point that most people probably just click it without reading nowMicrosoft just made it so that very behavior accepts the Windows 10 upgrade instead, rather than canceling it.
That's gross.
And if you don't find that small link to reschedule or cancel the Windows 10 upgradeor, say, if the pop up appears while you're away from your computeryour system will automatically begin the process at the scheduled time. In other words, your PC can potentially upgrade to Windows 10 without you asking it to or explicitly approving the upgrade.
That's gross, too.
Fallout and prevention

PC users are already up in arms over it, and rightfully so. By now, every existing Windows 7 and 8 user has seen and declined the Windows 10 update numerous times. By forcing out Windows 10 as a Recommended update and changing the behavior associated with exiting the GWX pop-up, Microsoft's actively striving to push the operating system on people who actively don't want it.
Worse, these under-handed tactics are encouraging Windows 7 and 8 users to disable Windows Updates all together, which leaves their systems more vulnerable to attackers who exploit security flaws.

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Why I completely disabled all updates on my laptop, right here.https://twitter.com/BradChacos/status/734350641561251841 …
7:45 AM - 22 May 2016 · West Springfield, MA, United States

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That certainly stops Microsoft's nagging, deceptive pop-ups, but I'd recommend installing the free GWX Control Panel tool instead. It lets you remove and disable the upgrade prompts all togetherthough it's a shame that you have to resort to third-party tools to keep your operating system from hijacking itself. Update: Several users have also written me to suggest Never10 by famed security researcher Steve Gibson as an easier to use GWX Control Panel alternative.
Again: I personally use and love Windows 10. It's great! But deploying these dirty tricks only frustrates long-time Windows users who have very valid reasons to stick with operating systems they already know and love. And thanks to the deceitful new update, there's a very high chance that my wife will be a new OS X convert by the end of the day. You may have ostensibly achieved another Windows 10 upgrade to pad your adoption stats, Microsoft, but you very well may have lost a lifelong PC user who swore she'd never switch to Apple.
Which means that I might have to learn how to troubleshoot Macs.
Dammit, Microsoft.
Update: Here's some user feedback after I received after tweeting about the issue this morning.

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@BradChacos Work at a repair shop. So many customers called complaining about how they hit the "X" as usual and got upgraded to Windows 10.
10:33 AM - 22 May 2016

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22 May
ばかなハスキー ‎@Tihusky

Why is everyone's computer randomly updating to Windows 10? Are they not giving a choice now?

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@Tihusky Apparently this is what's up;https://twitter.com/BradChacos/status/734350641561251841 …
10:32 AM - 22 May 2016

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OMG THIS LITERALLY HAPPENED TO ME THIS MORNING! https://twitter.com/BradChacos/status/734350641561251841 …
10:32 AM - 22 May 2016

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22 May
Jim Gaynor ‎@jimgaynor

@BradChacos @getwired Spent an hour at the Farmer's Market, talking w/ a reasonably tech-savvy Mom & Pop biz ready to ditch Windows.

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@BradChacos @getwired Not because "Mac is better", but because of the heady-handed Win10 tactics, and current shitshow of Win7 updating.
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@pcworld @BradChacos Of the ~10 offices i work at, 4 PCs upgraded last wk. We use w7, so had to roll them bk to 7. Old PCs, ~2.5hrs ea
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[Dawn Meredith]

Erick was sitting in court the other day on his computer and noticed that the damn thing was just uploading on his computer. He immediately shut it down. This stuff is really insidious.

[Lauren Johnson]

Never 10 is supposed to stop the automatic update to v 10. Here's a review. Looks good.

[Lauren Johnson]

Never 10 is supposed to stop the automatic update to v 10. Here's a review. Looks good.

It took 30 seconds to download and run. Easy peasy.

[Dawn Meredith]

To keep Windows from automatically updating, go to this place:

Control Panel > System and Security > Windows Update > Change Settings

The option I like is "Search for updates but do not download and install them."

Thanks Lauren. (We have windows 7)

Dawn