Posts: 2,690
Threads: 253
Likes Received: 0 in 0 posts
Likes Given: 0
Joined: May 2013
Would normally be a big story today...[URL="http://abcnews.go.com/International/us-declassifies-secret-911-documents-28-pages/story?id=40583069"]
http://abcnews.go.com/International/us-d...d=40583069[/URL]
The U.S. intelligence community has officially lifted the veil on 28 classified pages from the first congressional investigation into the 9/11 terror attacks that some believe, once exposed, could demonstrate a support network inside the United States for two of those al-Qaeda hijackers.
Today, the Obama administration declassified those documents -- closely held secrets for over 13 years -- and Congress is expected to make them the public this afternoon. The FBI and U.S. intelligence agencies had kept the information secret until now, citing reasons of national security.
According to sources familiar with the documents, the information in the pages lays out a number of circumstances that suggest it's possible two of the 9/11 hijackers living in California in the months leading up to the attack were receiving operational support from individuals loyal to Saudi Arabia.
Posts: 2,131
Threads: 199
Likes Received: 0 in 0 posts
Likes Given: 0
Joined: Apr 2014
15-07-2016, 07:58 PM
(This post was last modified: 15-07-2016, 09:19 PM by Drew Phipps.)
So much for the Saudi blackmail threats. There are 34 pages in the download link in that story. There are still significant redactions that I see.
Wow. Prince Bandar, AKA "Bandar Bush" and his wife are all over these pages.
Wow. Millions of dollars for UBL laundered from Saudi through Ibn Tamayah Mosque in LA and the Islamic Center in San Diego.
Saudi Intelligence refuses to cooperate with US on UBL because "UBL has too much information about official Saudi dealings with Islamic extremists in the 1980s." I wonder what the Saudi's were trying to hide then. The "Islamic Front?" Thought we knew about them. Maybe the Saudis co-opted Hezbollah, seeing as how that organization has "conducted operations not approved in Tehran," or used a false flag attack to discredit them (since they are Shia).
The most disturbing part of the reading is the fundamental disconnect between the FBI field agents reports and conclusions, and then the official FBI conclusions. Either the Headquarters was stupidly ignoring their own agents, or coming to differing conclusions for some top-down reason.
"All that is necessary for tyranny to succeed is for good men to do nothing." (unknown)
James Tracy: "There is sometimes an undue amount of paranoia among some conspiracy researchers that can contribute to flawed observations and analysis."
Gary Cornwell (Dept. Chief Counsel HSCA): "A fact merely marks the point at which we have agreed to let investigation cease."
Alan Ford: "Just because you believe it, that doesn't make it so."
Posts: 2,690
Threads: 253
Likes Received: 0 in 0 posts
Likes Given: 0
Joined: May 2013
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/15/politics/c...udis-9-11/
Yes, I was just going to make some snarky comment about the redactions, but words fail me.
Posts: 16,111
Threads: 1,773
Likes Received: 0 in 0 posts
Likes Given: 0
Joined: Sep 2008
Well, just did some speed-reading of them and found some interesting tidbits - but all that have come forth in the better 911 books...but perhaps this just reinforces them. The redactions are annoying and interesting. I'll have to read them again more carefully. I don't think there are any big revelations in the un-redacted parts, but I could be wrong.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
Posts: 2,131
Threads: 199
Likes Received: 0 in 0 posts
Likes Given: 0
Joined: Apr 2014
Apparently the US Congress is going to call the Saudi's bluff:
Source: US House to vote on bill allowing 9/11 victims to sue SaudisSep 7th 2016 3:02PM
http://www.aol.com/article/2016/09/07/so.../21467560/
Quote: WASHINGTON, Sept 7 (Reuters) - The U.S. House of Representatives will vote this week on legislation that would allow the families of Sept. 11 attack victims to sue Saudi Arabia's government for damages, a House leadership source said on Wednesday. Since the U.S. Senate passed the "Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act," or JASTA, unanimously in May, House passage would set up a potential showdown with the White House, which has threatened a veto.
The Saudis, who deny responsibility for the 2001 attacks on the United States, also object strongly to the bill. The timing of the House vote was first reported by Politico. If it became law, JASTA would remove sovereign immunity, which prevents lawsuits against governments, for countries found to be involved in terrorist attacks on U.S. soil. It would allow survivors of the attacks, and relatives of those killed in the attacks, to seek damages from other countries. In this case, it would allow lawsuits to proceed in federal court in New York as lawyers try to prove that the Saudis were involved in the attacks on the World Trade Center in New York and the Pentagon in Washington.
Fifteen of the 19 Sept. 11 hijackers were Saudi citizens.
"All that is necessary for tyranny to succeed is for good men to do nothing." (unknown)
James Tracy: "There is sometimes an undue amount of paranoia among some conspiracy researchers that can contribute to flawed observations and analysis."
Gary Cornwell (Dept. Chief Counsel HSCA): "A fact merely marks the point at which we have agreed to let investigation cease."
Alan Ford: "Just because you believe it, that doesn't make it so."
Posts: 16,111
Threads: 1,773
Likes Received: 0 in 0 posts
Likes Given: 0
Joined: Sep 2008
Posted on July 16, 2016by Kevin Ryan[/FONT]
The missing 28 pages from the U.S. Congressional Joint Inquiry into intelligence activities related to 911 were finally releasedto the public. These pages do not reveal a lot of new information but what is new strengthens lines of investigation that need to be followed-up. Here are five examples.
- The 28 pages say a lot about two menOmar al-Bayoumi and Osama Bassnan. The pages hint at the idea that Al-Bayoumi and Bassnan, who sponsored some of the alleged hijackers in the U.S., were Saudi intelligence agents or assets. Although this is not new, the pages also mention that both of them worked closely with the Saudi Arabian Cultural Mission (SACM). That should bring investigators back to the WTC security company Stratesec, which held its annual meetings in SACM offices.
- The SACM was part of the Saudi Embassy run by then-ambassador Prince Bandar. The released pages do a lot of hinting about Bandar's funding of Al-Bayoumi and Bassnan's activities in the United States. What is perhaps a revelation is that the men's wives received money from Bandar's wife but also that Bassnan received $15,000 directly from Bandar's account.
- The pages also reveal that, "several Saudi Naval officers were in contact with the September 11th hijackers." A related fact that needs more scrutiny is that Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC), which profited greatly from the 9/11 crimes, had spent over twenty years building and training the Saudi Navy. At the time of 9/11, SAIC was run by Dick Cheney's protégé Duane Andrews, who was the most knowledgeable person regarding the vulnerabilities of the information and communications networks that failed that day.
- The released pages also make a lot of insinuations about Abu Zubaydah's "phonebook." Zubaydah was the first alleged al Qaeda leader captured. The 28 pages repeatedly mention that his phonebook had several numbers that could be "linked" to U.S. phone numbers. Readers will likely fail to realize that in 2009 the U.S. government retracted its claims that Zubaydah had any association to al Qaeda. That the 9/11 Commission Report depended heavily on Zubaydah's torture testimony is a fact that was quickly forgotten by Commission and intelligence agency leaders.
- The Inquiry's report was built largely on information provided by the FBI and the CIA. The 28 pages show this clearly. What people might fail to question is why the Inquiry would go about investigating intelligence agencies simply by reporting information provided by those agencies. That contradiction was amplified when the Inquiry's leaders allowed the FBI to intimidate their own panel members by investigating them while they were investigating the FBI. The reasons for these contradictions are probably related to the fact that leaders of the FBI and the CIA are legitimate suspects in the 9/11 crimes.
In the end, the release of the 28 pages reinforces some information that was already available but does nothing to correct the propaganda that the Joint Inquiry produced. The public can learn from it, of course, but that requires looking beyond the propaganda.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
Posts: 901
Threads: 61
Likes Received: 0 in 0 posts
Likes Given: 0
Joined: Jul 2013
Peter Lemkin Wrote:Posted on July 16, 2016by Kevin Ryan[/FONT]
The missing 28 pages from the U.S. Congressional Joint Inquiry into intelligence activities related to 911 were finally releasedto the public. These pages do not reveal a lot of new information but what is new strengthens lines of investigation that need to be followed-up. Here are five examples.
- The 28 pages say a lot about two menOmar al-Bayoumi and Osama Bassnan. The pages hint at the idea that Al-Bayoumi and Bassnan, who sponsored some of the alleged hijackers in the U.S., were Saudi intelligence agents or assets. Although this is not new, the pages also mention that both of them worked closely with the Saudi Arabian Cultural Mission (SACM). That should bring investigators back to the WTC security company Stratesec, which held its annual meetings in SACM offices.
- The SACM was part of the Saudi Embassy run by then-ambassador Prince Bandar. The released pages do a lot of hinting about Bandar's funding of Al-Bayoumi and Bassnan's activities in the United States. What is perhaps a revelation is that the men's wives received money from Bandar's wife but also that Bassnan received $15,000 directly from Bandar's account.
- The pages also reveal that, "several Saudi Naval officers were in contact with the September 11th hijackers." A related fact that needs more scrutiny is that Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC), which profited greatly from the 9/11 crimes, had spent over twenty years building and training the Saudi Navy. At the time of 9/11, SAIC was run by Dick Cheney's protégé Duane Andrews, who was the most knowledgeable person regarding the vulnerabilities of the information and communications networks that failed that day.
- The released pages also make a lot of insinuations about Abu Zubaydah's "phonebook." Zubaydah was the first alleged al Qaeda leader captured. The 28 pages repeatedly mention that his phonebook had several numbers that could be "linked" to U.S. phone numbers. Readers will likely fail to realize that in 2009 the U.S. government retracted its claims that Zubaydah had any association to al Qaeda. That the 9/11 Commission Report depended heavily on Zubaydah's torture testimony is a fact that was quickly forgotten by Commission and intelligence agency leaders.
- The Inquiry's report was built largely on information provided by the FBI and the CIA. The 28 pages show this clearly. What people might fail to question is why the Inquiry would go about investigating intelligence agencies simply by reporting information provided by those agencies. That contradiction was amplified when the Inquiry's leaders allowed the FBI to intimidate their own panel members by investigating them while they were investigating the FBI. The reasons for these contradictions are probably related to the fact that leaders of the FBI and the CIA are legitimate suspects in the 9/11 crimes.
In the end, the release of the 28 pages reinforces some information that was already available but does nothing to correct the propaganda that the Joint Inquiry produced. The public can learn from it, of course, but that requires looking beyond the propaganda.
It's very much worth reading the post on Duane Andrews that Kevin Ryan links to in that piece:
https://digwithin.net/2014/06/04/andrews-and-saic/
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.â€
― Leo Tolstoy,
|