This should be seen in the context of the Western fury over their defeat in Aleppo as well as Obama's threat to strike Russia in ways that may not be obvious. The assassin shot the Ambassador on camera and proceeded to wave his gun proclaiming revenge for Allepo.
"We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --William J. Casey, D.C.I
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Quote:President Barack Obama defended his hands-off response to Russian hacking that appears to have influenced the U.S. election in Donald Trump's favor and reiterated a vague warning first issued Thursday night that Moscow will face U.S. reprisals of some sort for its unprecedented interference in the vote.
"Our goal continues to be to send a clear message to Russia or others not to do this to us, because we can do stuff to you," Obama said. "Some of it we do publicly, some of it we will do in a way that they know but not everybody will."
Obama, speaking in his final year-end press conference...
"There are three sorts of conspiracy: by the people who complain, by the people who write, by the people who take action. There is nothing to fear from the first group, the two others are more dangerous; but the police have to be part of all three,"
This is a heinous act if true and I hope Russia and Turkey find all of those responsible if there was a broader conspiracy.
With that said, the video is strange in that he seems to die right away without even a twitch after he hit the ground, with no apparent bleeding. I've thankfully never seen a shooting in person, is it normal for a victim to lose consciousness before he hits the ground?
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John Knoble Wrote:This is a heinous act if true and I hope Russia and Turkey find all of those responsible if there was a broader conspiracy.
With that said, the video is strange in that he seems to die right away without even a twitch after he hit the ground, with no apparent bleeding. I've thankfully never seen a shooting in person, is it normal for a victim to lose consciousness before he hits the ground?
I think the bullets went through the heart or aorta and most significantly the spine detaching the brain from what was below. imo.
"We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --William J. Casey, D.C.I
"We will lead every revolution against us." --Theodore Herzl
The ambassador was shot at point blank range by several bullets. One would not expect he'd move much or at all. He could have died immediately. Strangely, current reports are that he died in hospital. There have been nine arrests, but that doesn't necessarily mean they were working with the off-duty police officer who fired.
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20-12-2016, 12:51 PM (This post was last modified: 20-12-2016, 01:13 PM by John Knoble.)
Lauren Johnson Wrote:
John Knoble Wrote:This is a heinous act if true and I hope Russia and Turkey find all of those responsible if there was a broader conspiracy.
With that said, the video is strange in that he seems to die right away without even a twitch after he hit the ground, with no apparent bleeding. I've thankfully never seen a shooting in person, is it normal for a victim to lose consciousness before he hits the ground?
I think the bullets went through the heart or aorta and most significantly the spine detaching the brain from what was below. imo.
Not an anatomy expert, but I'd think the spinal cord would have to be severed around neck level for the victim to lose control of his upper limbs. Which would mean an exit wound on the front of the neck or the exposed area of the jacket lapel that we never saw when he was standing. No visible wound or blood there or anywhere else. It looks like he's getting hit on the torso well below the neck. I suppose it could have been a neck shot with small caliber pistol with the bullets lacking sufficient mass and velocity to exit the distal side of the victim's body, but I would be surprised if many victims of small caliber non-headshot shootings drop dead without a twitch.
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John Knoble Wrote:This is a heinous act if true and I hope Russia and Turkey find all of those responsible if there was a broader conspiracy.
With that said, the video is strange in that he seems to die right away without even a twitch after he hit the ground, with no apparent bleeding. I've thankfully never seen a shooting in person, is it normal for a victim to lose consciousness before he hits the ground?
I think the bullets went through the heart or aorta and most significantly the spine detaching the brain from what was below. imo.
Not an anatomy expert, but I'd think the spinal cord would have to be severed around neck level for the victim to lose control of his upper limbs. Which would mean an exit wound on the front of the neck or the exposed area of the jacket lapel that we never saw when he was standing. No visible wound or blood there or anywhere else. It looks like he's getting hit on the torso well below the neck. I suppose it could have been a neck shot with small caliber pistol with the bullets lacking sufficient mass and velocity to exit the distal side of the victim's body, but I would be surprised if many victims of small caliber non-headshot shootings drop dead without a twitch.
What is important is the motive behind the action as well as who were involved and for what real beliefs or false-flag reasons - NOT, IMO, the minute details of how a person did or could theoretically die. That is rather gruesome, and I think pointless in any deep political context. I'm interested to know more about this off-duty policeman's background, and expect there to be a lot of 'shadow and fog' surrounding him.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
John Knoble Wrote:This is a heinous act if true and I hope Russia and Turkey find all of those responsible if there was a broader conspiracy.
With that said, the video is strange in that he seems to die right away without even a twitch after he hit the ground, with no apparent bleeding. I've thankfully never seen a shooting in person, is it normal for a victim to lose consciousness before he hits the ground?
I think the bullets went through the heart or aorta and most significantly the spine detaching the brain from what was below. imo.
Not an anatomy expert, but I'd think the spinal cord would have to be severed around neck level for the victim to lose control of his upper limbs. Which would mean an exit wound on the front of the neck or the exposed area of the jacket lapel that we never saw when he was standing. No visible wound or blood there or anywhere else. It looks like he's getting hit on the torso well below the neck. I suppose it could have been a neck shot with small caliber pistol with the bullets lacking sufficient mass and velocity to exit the distal side of the victim's body, but I would be surprised if many victims of small caliber non-headshot shootings drop dead without a twitch.
What is important is the motive behind the action as well as who were involved and for what real beliefs or false-flag reasons - NOT, IMO, the minute details of how a person did or could theoretically die. That is rather gruesome, and I think pointless in any deep political context. I'm interested to know more about this off-duty policeman's background, and expect there to be a lot of 'shadow and fog' surrounding him.
I heard, in passing, a report that seemd to suggest a connection to Fethulah Gulen - although I may have misheard what the TV reporter said.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
John Knoble Wrote:This is a heinous act if true and I hope Russia and Turkey find all of those responsible if there was a broader conspiracy.
With that said, the video is strange in that he seems to die right away without even a twitch after he hit the ground, with no apparent bleeding. I've thankfully never seen a shooting in person, is it normal for a victim to lose consciousness before he hits the ground?
I think the bullets went through the heart or aorta and most significantly the spine detaching the brain from what was below. imo.
Not an anatomy expert, but I'd think the spinal cord would have to be severed around neck level for the victim to lose control of his upper limbs. Which would mean an exit wound on the front of the neck or the exposed area of the jacket lapel that we never saw when he was standing. No visible wound or blood there or anywhere else. It looks like he's getting hit on the torso well below the neck. I suppose it could have been a neck shot with small caliber pistol with the bullets lacking sufficient mass and velocity to exit the distal side of the victim's body, but I would be surprised if many victims of small caliber non-headshot shootings drop dead without a twitch.
What is important is the motive behind the action as well as who were involved and for what real beliefs or false-flag reasons - NOT, IMO, the minute details of how a person did or could theoretically die. That is rather gruesome, and I think pointless in any deep political context. I'm interested to know more about this off-duty policeman's background, and expect there to be a lot of 'shadow and fog' surrounding him.
I'm with you on this Mr.Lemkin.
What occurs to me is how, at the point I signed-up to DPF, there would've been quite alot of interesting discussion & possible/potential background gubbins on this & from more than just a couple of ppl, & the Berlin lorry thing would've at least had a mention, and likewise would've had some discussion attached to it. Strange...
I'm not the kinda fella who's given to paranoia at all, but this Eter9 thing really does spring to mind, I mean, yer don't have to be dead, do you, & ppl can be quite gullible.
Martin Luther King - "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."
Albert Camus - "The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion".
Douglas MacArthur — "Whoever said the pen is mightier than the sword obviously never encountered automatic weapons."
Albert Camus - "Nothing is more despicable than respect based on fear."
It's probably nowt, but this just popped-up a minute later -
Isn't the printer-route a frequent hack thing?
Martin Luther King - "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."
Albert Camus - "The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion".
Douglas MacArthur — "Whoever said the pen is mightier than the sword obviously never encountered automatic weapons."
Albert Camus - "Nothing is more despicable than respect based on fear."
