Barack Obama has won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize????

[Helen Reyes]

Sobering stuff from Michael Chussodovsky at Global Reasearch:

The whole article is worth reading.

I see no sign that the US/NATO are on anything other than a determined and accelerating path to create and enforce an unchallengeable global hegemony - a New World Order - and I fear it will end in disaster in the very near future.

I was most interested in Chussodovsky's words about space-based weapons and the US first-strike capability. Where are we now with that? Can we confirm the existence of:

x-ray lasers in orbit

particle-beam weapons

congressman Dan Quayle's Rods of God depleted uranium missiles in space

gamma ray laser arrays designed to systematically scan urban centers for 100% killrates

scalar use of magnetic resonance to cause earthquakes and human illness

the deployment of nuclear weapons in orbit, in space and/or on the moon, in contravention of numerous international treaties initiated or entered into by the United States

space-based plasma canon

?

Obama's antics with Iran seem to me a ruse for a first strike, presumably on China or Russia, a continuation of the Bush opera in South Ossetia, or a general rehearsal for such a first strike, to see how the enemy's/enemies' forces respond.

My question is: what do we already have in space, and what is Obama doing to upgrade the US first strike capability? Of course it would be sheer nonsense for the Nobel Committee to name Obama's efforts to rid the world of nuclear devices as a consideration if in fact he were expanding the illegal militarization of space.

[Ed Jewett]

Sobering stuff from Michael Chussodovsky at Global Reasearch:

The whole article is worth reading.

I see no sign that the US/NATO are on anything other than a determined and accelerating path to create and enforce an unchallengeable global hegemony - a New World Order - and I fear it will end in disaster in the very near future.

I was most interested in Chussodovsky's words about space-based weapons and the US first-strike capability. Where are we now with that? Can we confirm the existence of:

x-ray lasers in orbit

particle-beam weapons

congressman Dan Quayle's Rods of God depleted uranium missiles in space

gamma ray laser arrays designed to systematically scan urban centers for 100% killrates

scalar use of magnetic resonance to cause earthquakes and human illness

the deployment of nuclear weapons in orbit, in space and/or on the moon, in contravention of numerous international treaties initiated or entered into by the United States

space-based plasma canon

?

Obama's antics with Iran seem to me a ruse for a first strike, presumably on China or Russia, a continuation of the Bush opera in South Ossetia, or a general rehearsal for such a first strike, to see how the enemy's/enemies' forces respond.

My question is: what do we already have in space, and what is Obama doing to upgrade the US first strike capability? Of course it would be sheer nonsense for the Nobel Committee to name Obama's efforts to rid the world of nuclear devices as a consideration if in fact he were expanding the illegal militarization of space.

I fully agree with the importance of the article, and I have no answers for Helen's sobering questions. I do think it all is consistent with the criminalization of dissent as described the article below (which I will post in its entirety elsewhere at DPF).

http://antifascist-calling.blogspot.com/...state.html

But please tell me that Dan Quayle's Rods of God depleted uranium missiles in space is not real and is the product of someone's nightmares stemming from the ingestion of non-refrigerated three-day-old kale soup.

[Helen Reyes]

But please tell me that Dan Quayle's Rods of God depleted uranium missiles in space is not real and is the product of someone's nightmares stemming from the ingestion of non-refrigerated three-day-old kale soup.

I caught Quayle on C-SPAN before Bush selected him as vice-president talking about it on the floor of the House I guess. Then everything got hush-hush. Last I heard it exists. The rods drop and vaporize like a mini-nuke. I seem to recall it waswn't Quayle's initiative, but he was pushing for it. It came near the end of SDI funding, or at least at the time when it was becoming very difficult to hide the fact that the physicists involved didn't think it was feasible but were willing to keep milking the budget cow for funding.

Scalar piso-electric magnetic resonance stimulation to cause earthquakes and directed anti-personnel gamma ray lasers frighten me more.

[Myra Bronstein]

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The decision to grant Obama the Nobel Peace Prize was no doubt carefully negotiated with the Norwegian Committee at the highest levels of the US government. It has far reaching implications...

This is the claim that I find most fascinating. Does anyone here agree with the assertion that the Nobel Peace Prize was actually negotiated?

[Magda Hassan]

Absolutely. Just for starters the nominee has to accept the nomination. Plenty are nominated but when contacted by the committee refuse it. It certainly was NO surprise for Obama. Also nominations closed about 2 months after Obama took office. He wouldn't have even known his way around the west wing by then let alone have been able to have unleashed the forces of peace upon the world. Which we are still waiting for. And waiting. :bebored:And waiting.

[Ed Jewett]

He wouldn't have even known his way around the west wing by then let alone have been able to have unleashed the forces of peace upon the world. Which we are still waiting for. And waiting. :bebored:And waiting.

Now,, Magda, come on... you know perfectly well that George gave him his training ... er, um, I mean tour back on November 10th....



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/...0#27647520 (video)

[Ed Jewett]

Scalar piso-electric magnetic resonance stimulation to cause earthquakes and directed anti-personnel gamma ray lasers frighten me more.

Your concerns about directed anti-personnel gamma ray lasers are well-founded; while not the evidence assembled below is not at the same level, it is an indication that 'progress' is being made.

"Back in August, Boeing announced that its Advanced Tactical Laser — a cargo aircraft retrofitted with a chemical laser — had successfully “defeated” a target vehicle parked on the ground. The test was a step toward the fielding of a laser gunship that, in theory, could blast targets with little or no collateral damage.... developers claim the laser gunship would have sniperlike precision. When they requested the Advanced Tactical Laser to be deployed to Iraq a couple of years back, the Marine Corps envisioned using it as a way to target individual insurgents — to devastating psychological effect. Such weapons, when used against people, “can be compared to long-range blowtorches or precision flamethrowers, with corresponding psychological advantages for [Coalition Forces] CF...”.

Video at link:

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/10/...hes-truck/





Whether you’re trying to control a disturbance at a food-distribution center, get a convoy through a packed junction or determine who the bad guys are in a crowd, it’s not always a good idea to have a lethal force as your only option. That, at least, is the thinking behind the Thermal Laser Weapon, a device now under development by the U.S. military.

The Thermal Laser Weapon is a device that attaches to standard rail systems on military rifles. Like the vehicle-mounted Active Denial System, it works by heating up the outer layer of skin, causing a very painful burning sensation without — in theory — causing any actual damage. The Active Denial System uses short microwaves, the Thermal Laser Weapon uses an infra-red laser. Work on the device is a direct outgrowth of the work on thermal lasers described in Danger Room last year; field testing of the Thermal Laser Weapon by the Joint Nonlethal Weapons Directorate was announced this week.

The Thermal Laser’s immediate ancestor was the PHaSR (allegedly short for “Personnel Halting and Stimulation Response,” although the makers confess to being Star Trek fans). The PHaSR was a big, bulky weapon which combined an infra-red laser with a laser dazzler to produce a repel effect. Only the heating effect is mentioned for the Thermal Laser, but it seems likely that a visible laser would also be incorporated if only as an adjunct to aiming. The photo here shows the Saber 203, an earlier rifle-mounted dazzler.

The Active Denial System puts out around 100 kilowatts and illuminates an area about two meters across. And it produces a powerful “goodbye effect”: After several thousand tests, no one has been able to withstand it for more than five seconds moving out of the beam’s path. However, it’s not clear how effective a narrow beam of just a few watts would be, and this is what the designers of the Thermal Laser Weapon are trying to establish. The recent field evaluations highlighted one of problems with using infrared: Microwaves will go through any clothing, and can only be stopped by encasing yourself in tinfoil [tinfoil hats only are now obsolete], but infrared can be blocked by clothing.

“Escalation-of-force options” is the trendy new phrase for the U.S. military, and there’s a growing appreciation that it’s not always a good idea to use lethal force as your first move. Other non-lethal bolt-on options are already available for your carbine. You can add a Taser, or a 12-gauge launcher firing blunt impact rounds. An obvious disadvantage is that Thermal laser Weapon won’t actually stop anyone in their tracks, but it may help in the roles of “discerning intent” and “discriminating targets.” Anyone who keeps making trouble after being lased is facing a loaded rifle and the shooter can escalate to lethal force extremely quickly.

According to the directorate’s non-lethal gurus, the Thermal Laser Weapon is also a multi-shot weapon whose effects are “immediately reversible,” whereas Tasers and impact rounds can have more serious consequences. While the range of the Thermal Laser Weapon is not known, it’s a fair guess that it’s likely to be dozens of feet: significantly greater than current alternatives.

Could it be used to torture or punish individuals without leaving a mark? Absolutely. Whether that’s sufficient reason not to go ahead with it depends on where you stand in the “non-lethal” weapons debate. The next stage will see the Thermal laser Weapon touted to service representatives to see if anyone is interested enough to fund it — and take on the potential political opposition in the process. [But who could possibly be opposed??]

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/09/...pain-beam/

Beyond that is this: http://mindjustice.org/9.htm



As for the scalar piso-electric magnetic resonance stimulation to cause earthquakes, that's an interesting issue in light of last week's multiple quakes and tsunamis. The science of it all is above my poet's-level preparation, but I do know there are theories, sites, books and more. Maybe someone knows a member of the Weather Modificiation Association: http://www.weathermodification.org/

Project Seal, top secret experiments conducted off New Zealand coast to perfect a tidal wave bomb in 1944 and 1945, as well as G.W.E.N., HAARP, the United States Air Force report “Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025” (see http://www.peacecaucus.net/ ), and more are all discussed by Pauline Cantwell: http://www.lightmillennium.org/21st_22nd...hange.html
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[Myra Bronstein]

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[David Guyatt]

Absolutely. Just for starters the nominee has to accept the nomination. Plenty are nominated but when contacted by the committee refuse it. It certainly was NO surprise for Obama. Also nominations closed about 2 months after Obama took office. He wouldn't have even known his way around the west wing by then let alone have been able to have unleashed the forces of peace upon the world. Which we are still waiting for. And waiting. :bebored:And waiting.

On reflection, it seems most logical to me that the Peace Prize was negotiated/bought well ahead of Obama taking office. It was part and parcel of the bright, new, smiling, caring (rhetorically speaking only, of course) Obama Administration that was carefully foisted upon the American public and the World.

I think Chussodovsky may well have hit the nail on the head.

[Helen Reyes]

Thank you very much Ed Jewett!

Absolutely. Just for starters the nominee has to accept the nomination. Plenty are nominated but when contacted by the committee refuse it. It certainly was NO surprise for Obama. Also nominations closed about 2 months after Obama took office. He wouldn't have even known his way around the west wing by then let alone have been able to have unleashed the forces of peace upon the world. Which we are still waiting for. And waiting. :bebored:And waiting.

On reflection, it seems most logical to me that the Peace Prize was negotiated/bought well ahead of Obama taking office. It was part and parcel of the bright, new, smiling, caring (rhetorically speaking only, of course) Obama Administration that was carefully foisted upon the American public and the World.

I think Chussodovsky may well have hit the nail on the head.

I don't see how the Nobel could be anything other than negotiated a priori at this point. Remember the campaign to have Richard Holbrooke get the prize for Bosnia? Campaign. It's an established thing apparently, but not on public display.