A pointless thread on 'Free to Use' map and others.

[David Healy]

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The ONLY reason I make an issue out of Roberdeau stealing my map is because I was the first to hand drawn a map of Dealey Plaza on the computer and it took a lot of work, then Roberdeau simply steals my map and adds to it and certain people falsely claim he created it first and accuse me of lying when I point out that the basic plat came from me. ...

post where your "original" plat (sic) can be viewed, Marsh. And btw, how long will it be till your thrown off this board? 50,000 posts on alt.conspiracy.jfk/alt.assassination.jfk... and it took Ben Holmes all of 4 months to out you as a Lone Nutter in CT clothing....

[Magda Hassan]

Yes Anthony, where is your original plat? I just don't think you made your map just from memory on a Commodore 64. Perhaps Don used the same plat as well. Or perhaps you copied Don's? You have given NO EVIDENCE that Don stole your 'FREE TO COPY' map, merely unsubstantiated accusations and a case of the big green monster. I hope you are not a lawyer in your day job. I hate to be your client.

[Dawn Meredith]

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The ONLY reason I make an issue out of Roberdeau stealing my map is because I was the first to hand drawn a map of Dealey Plaza on the computer and it took a lot of work, then Roberdeau simply steals my map and adds to it and certain people falsely claim he created it first and accuse me of lying when I point out that the basic plat came from me. ...

post where your "original" plat (sic) can be viewed, Marsh. And btw, how long will it be till your thrown off this board? 50,000 posts on alt.conspiracy.jfk/alt.assassination.jfk... and it took Ben Holmes all of 4 months to out you as a Lone Nutter in CT clothing....

David is this true? Can you provide any evidence? As you know we don't permit lone nutters at this site.

[Myra Bronstein]

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post where your "original" plat (sic) can be viewed, Marsh. And btw, how long will it be till your thrown off this board? 50,000 posts on alt.conspiracy.jfk/alt.assassination.jfk... and it took Ben Holmes all of 4 months to out you as a Lone Nutter in CT clothing....

David is this true? Can you provide any evidence? As you know we don't permit lone nutters at this site.

Please do elaborate David. As Dawn said lone nutters are not welcome here.

[Anthony Marsh]

Yes Anthony, where is your original plat? I just don't think you made your map just from memory on a Commodore 64. Perhaps Don used the same plat as well. Or perhaps you copied Don's? You have given NO EVIDENCE that Don stole your 'FREE TO COPY' map, merely unsubstantiated accusations and a case of the big green monster. I hope you are not a lawyer in your day job. I hate to be your client.

I already uploaded my original plat many messages ago.

http://the-puzzle-palace.com/Dealey.gif

Maybe you didn't read all the messages in this thread.
I drew it by hand on my Commodore 64 in 1990.
There were no other computer drawn maps before then.
Mine was the first, so I did not get the computer map from some other source and Roberdeau had no other possible source for the same computer map as mine.
He simply stole it from me. If he wanted to steal someone else's map, I don't care. But he stole my research and then claimed it as his own. And certain people here are blindly defending him only as a way to attack me.
One who did has refused to look at the very evidence she demanded that I upload. Will you? Will you rush to judgment without even looking at the evidence?
Roberdeau's map is IDENTICAL to mine pixel by pixel in the places that he did not change. That can not be accidental. All he did was download my map and then added his own ideas.
AND took out my copyright notice. THAT is a violation of the copyright law. If you want to talk about lawyers ask a lawyer what penalty there is for removing a copyright notice.

© Fraudulent Copyright Notice. — Any person who, with fraudulent intent, places on any article a notice of copyright or words of the same purport that such person knows to be false, or who, with fraudulent intent, publicly distributes or imports for public distribution any article bearing such notice or words that such person knows to be false, shall be fined not more than $2,500.
(d) Fraudulent Removal of Copyright Notice. — Any person who, with fraudulent intent, removes or alters any notice of copyright appearing on a copy of a copyrighted work shall be fined not more than $2,500.




And stop making up phony statements and attributing them to me. I said nothing about drawing my map from memory. It took months of research and having a new survey of Dealey Plaza to get some details correct.

[Anthony Marsh]

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The ONLY reason I make an issue out of Roberdeau stealing my map is because I was the first to hand drawn a map of Dealey Plaza on the computer and it took a lot of work, then Roberdeau simply steals my map and adds to it and certain people falsely claim he created it first and accuse me of lying when I point out that the basic plat came from me. ...

post where your "original" plat (sic) can be viewed, Marsh. And btw, how long will it be till your thrown off this board? 50,000 posts on alt.conspiracy.jfk/alt.assassination.jfk... and it took Ben Holmes all of 4 months to out you as a Lone Nutter in CT clothing....

I have uploaded it here several times. Do you have some technical problem clicking on a link and downloading a file? Need some help surfing the Web?
Get your facts straight and stop making baseless accusations. I have not posted on alt.conspiracy.jfk for many years except for an accidental crosspost replying to someone else's message. You pass along a cheap slander from a kook as if you are proving something.
The reason why he said that was because I disproved some of his kooky theories.
I am known as a leading defender of the acoustical evidence. That hardly characterizes me as a lone nutter.
But does disallow some of the kooky theories.

[Myra Bronstein]

You still haven't answered the fundamental question in post #18 Anthony. So here it is again:

How, in theory, can a map be stolen when it's clearly marked "FREE TO COPY"?

[Helen Reyes]

I note that graphics saved in CompuServ's proprietary GIF format, aka 87a and 89a, technically infringed the LZW compression patents held by Unisys Corporation, from 1987 till 2003, while realizing that the Commodore 64 probably used a bitmap format natively for saving graphics information.

It used to take a long time to make anything worthwhile on those older computers. I suppose it was even harder before the home microcomputers came along, hence things like the LZW algorithm for saving limited space on mainframes and minis. Standing on the shoulders of giants, as they say.

Personally, I like maps. I like all maps. The more maps, the better. The more free maps, the better. Maps want to be free. Some of my favorite maps were National Geographic centerfolds of obscure lands with placenames full of umlauts and strange marks on, through and under the letters. Viva les maps!

[Anthony Marsh]

You still haven't answered the fundamental question in post #18 Anthony. So here it is again:

How, in theory, can a map be stolen when it's clearly marked "FREE TO COPY"?

When he removes the copyright notice, which is a $2,500 violation of the copyright law, and claims he drew it rather than admit that he merely copied it.

[Anthony Marsh]

I note that graphics saved in CompuServ's proprietary GIF format, aka 87a and 89a, technically infringed the LZW compression patents held by Unisys Corporation, from 1987 till 2003, while realizing that the Commodore 64 probably used a bitmap format natively for saving graphics information.

It used to take a long time to make anything worthwhile on those older computers. I suppose it was even harder before the home microcomputers came along, hence things like the LZW algorithm for saving limited space on mainframes and minis. Standing on the shoulders of giants, as they say.

Personally, I like maps. I like all maps. The more maps, the better. The more free maps, the better. Maps want to be free. Some of my favorite maps were National Geographic centerfolds of obscure lands with placenames full of umlauts and strange marks on, through and under the letters. Viva les maps!

Quite right. The compression method was always a sore point. At the time I drew my map the only thing I had was GEOpaint on the Commodore 64. So the original was in the GEOpaint bitmap format. I had to draw it pixel by pixel. Then several years later I wanted to start a BBS and had to get an IBM to run FIDOnet. Then I found a program to convert the GEOpaint file into a GIF. I was on CompuServe when they were proposing a new format called GIF 89A. I uploaded most of my original files to the Commodore forum on CompuServe.