Magda Hassan Wrote:I wonder if those pages have been print formatted some where? To make ease of reading. I'll have a look around and post a link if I find it.
Thanks for the reminder Magda. I meant to post that one we know about (which I'm posting below but can't find the link for?) but forgot to do it.
Quote:ALLEGED "GUESTS AT ELM LODGE
Leon Britton MP then Home Secretary & Monday Club
Cyril Smith MP
Ron Brown MP under name of Naismith (but they crossed that bit out so who knows)
Harvey Proctor MP
Colin Jordan Leader of N.F (I think we think he wasn't NF, something else?)
Guy Hamilton Blackburn chair Westland Helicopter Co
Dr Ray Wire Gracewell Clinic (McCann connection for those interested)
Jess Conrad singer
Cliff Richard pop star with Gladys'. (Ronnie Wells)
George Tremlett Tory Leader GLC. Monday Club.
(bloody holepunch!) Brook MP Monday Club. Who is Holepunch Brook??
Richard Miles? Monday Club. Is Miles right? Or is he a Mules'? (I know I could google this and I will if I need to but you lot seem to know 80s politicians inside out and back to front and I trust you more than google!!)
Peter Campbell Monday Club front for Glencross.
Ah, Glencross, one I know, at last. A South African who had a base in Holland, Porn Dealer, top dog at Spartacus aka paedophile magazine. Deeply implicated in the Elm Guest House Child Rape Scandal…..
John Rowe. MI5. Is he deceased?
Mr R R Langley Senior Household Official Buckingham Pal.
(Sir) Anthony Blunt disgraced spy, etc.
Commander Richard Trestrail Royal Equerry (disgraced).
Charles Irving MP Monday Club.
Peter Bottomley MP Monday Club.
Gary Walker Sinn Fein
And now we have a little note, I think it says:
Lover was Claus Weistaig (from Australia) Blunt used name GOLDSTIEN, also used a boy xxxx xxxxxxxxx (And if anyone else asks me to name victims, sod off, you are on ignore, do it yourself if you are that bothered - it's out of my moral compass, get some EMPATHY)
Stan Matthews London Monday Club & Paedophile/Porn.
We believe the Dr Ray Wire mentioned is actually Dr. Ray Wyre? There are a number of misspellings in the list, which appears to compiled from other sources. For example, Leon Britton is Baron Leon Brittan, former Home Secretary in the Thatcher Cabinet and later a European Commissioner. The best bet is to Google the names and build your own dossier....
Which can then later be permanently lost, obviously.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
The following is from Spotlight on Abuse blog about Operation Fernbridge, the police inquiry into Elm Guest House:
Quote:The Dirt Book: How the sexual abuse of children is used for political gain
In 1995, the BBC showed a Michael Cockerell documentary called Westminster's Secret Service about the role of the chief whip, whose task it is to ensure MPs attend important debates and vote as the party leadership desires. It was revealed that the chief whip kept a little black dirt book' which contained information about MPs, and this was used as a method of political control.
Tim Fortescue, who was Ted Heath's chief whip from 1970-73, said:
For anyone with any sense, who was in trouble, would come to the whips and tell them the truth, and say now, I'm in a jam, can you help? It might be debt, it might be…..erm……erm, a scandal involving small boys, or any kind of scandal in which, erm er, a member seemed likely to be mixed up in, they'd come and ask if we could help and if we could, we did. And we would do everything we can because we would store up brownie points……., and if I mean, that sounds a pretty, pretty nasty reason, but it's one of the reasons because if we could get a chap out of trouble then, he will do as we ask forever more.
In short, the chief whip would cover up any scandal, even if it involved "small boys", child sexual abuse, child rape, whatever you want to call it. They wouldn't report the crime to the police, although they may use their contacts with the police to make sure to make sure the matter went no further. This means that a paedophile would be the ideal candidate for promotion within the party, easily blackmailed and bought, loyalty and discretion guaranteed.
An example of how the dirt book may have been used is the case of Sir Peter Morrison, who was Conservative MP for Chester from 1974-1992, as well as being Margaret Thatcher's Parliamentary Private Secretary. Morrison has been linked to a notorious paedophile ring that sexually abused children in North Wales care homes. Chris House, who worked as reporter for the Daily Mirror, twice received tip-offs about Morrison being caught abusing underage boys which resulted in just a police caution, but libel threats stopped the newspaper from running the story. Peter Connew, the former editor of the Sunday Mirror, said "such was the hush-up that nobody could get hold of a log of the arrest".
Edwina Currie, who was a Conservative MP at the time, said "Peter Morrison has become the PM's PPS. Now he's what they call a noted pederast',' with a liking for young boys; he admitted as much to Norman Tebbitt when he became deputy chairman of the party, but added, However, I'm very discreet' and he must be!"
It seems possible that Morrison was given the job of PPS precisely because he was a paedophile; the party had dirt' on him so they could rely on his loyalty. Morrison was an alcoholic, famously incompetent, and often found asleep at his desk, so I can't think of any other reasons for his promotion to PPS. Not a thought was given to the poor children who he abused, and nobody in his party went to the police to stop him committing these crimes. Edwina Currie was quite happy to save this gossip' about child rape to boost her book sales.
If an MP's indiscretions' became too public to cover up, they were demoted or exiled to an obscure position. Mike Hames, who was head of Scotland Yard's Obscene Publications Branch, talked of a raid on a brothel during which a man in pinstriped suit announced that he a cabinet minister. "That was before the end of Communism and, through a politician friend, I informed the PM, Mrs Thatcher. I noticed that the man, a junior minister, was quietly dropped later in a reshuffle."
Elm Guest House would have been well known to Margaret Thatcher, having been raided by 60 police and then covered up by the DPP and the Attorney General, who stopped the press from reporting on it. It is thought that at least 7 Conservative MPs were visitors to the paedophile brothel. Were any of these MPs later promoted to ministerial positions?
Ted Heath is credited with introducing the dirt book:
The most significant changes in the role of the whips appear to have taken place during the late 1950s and early 1960s. Heath as chief whip from 1956 to 1959 brought a new professionalism to the job; he was the first holder of that position to routinely attend cabinet meetings,although neither he nor his successors have been full cabinet members. More significant was the way he systematically gathered information about every member of the party, and developed the art of using this to maximum advantage. He was after all responsible for piloting the Conservative party through the Suez crisis and its turbulent aftermath. When Edward Short became Wilson's chief whip in 1964 he found that it had been the practice to keep a "dirt book" in which unsavoury personal items about members were recorded', and he immediately ordered this to be discontinued. It is probable that such stories arose simply out of the thoroughness with which Heath and his successors had gathered information. Heath himself explained his professionalism: I acted on the principle that the more you know about the people you ae speaking for, and the more they know about you and what you are being asked to do, the better.' (extract from Churchill to Major: The British Prime Ministership Since 1945′ by
Donald Shell)
So the chief whip would proactively look for dirt' on MPs, not just wait for them to get into trouble. This might explain how the child abuse campaigner Geoffrey Dickens MP was so quickly exposed for having an extra-marital affair after he named the paedophile diplomat Sir Peter Hayman.
Although the Labour chief whip, Edward Short, claims to have discontinued the dirt book system, it seems obvious that both Labour and the Liberals would have continued to use it. The Liberal MP Cyril Smith would have needed his own book given his record of child sex offences stretching from the 1960s to the late 1990s, which makes it all the more staggering that former Liberal leader David Steel claims never to have received a complaint about him. Smith, as an Elm Guest House visitor, a friend of Jimmy Savile, and an associate of both Peter Righton and Sidney Cooke, would have been impossible for the chief whip to control, as he would have been able to bring most of Westminster down with him.
Fleet Street also have their own version of the dirt book, used to exercise control over politicians. What other explanation could there be for the Sunday Times/News International not using the leaked Operation Ore list, despite there being enough VIP paedophiles on the list "to fill newspaper front pages for an entire year"?
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Quote:Ted Heath is credited with introducing the dirt book:
That'd be British Prime Minister Ted Heath who used to anchor his yacht just off Haut de la Garenne....
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War." Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon
"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta." The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
Quote:In short, the chief whip would cover up any scandal, even if it involved "small boys", child sexual abuse, child rape, whatever you want to call it. They wouldn't report the crime to the police, although they may use their contacts with the police to make sure to make sure the matter went no further. This means that a paedophile would be the ideal candidate for promotion within the party, easily blackmailed and bought, loyalty and discretion guaranteed.
An example of how the dirt book may have been used is the case of Sir Peter Morrison, who was Conservative MP for Chester from 1974-1992, as well as being Margaret Thatcher's Parliamentary Private Secretary. Morrison has been linked to a notorious paedophile ring that sexually abused children in North Wales care homes. Chris House, who worked as reporter for the Daily Mirror, twice received tip-offs about Morrison being caught abusing underage boys which resulted in just a police caution, but libel threats stopped the newspaper from running the story. Peter Connew, the former editor of the Sunday Mirror, said "such was the hush-up that nobody could get hold of a log of the arrest".
Edwina Currie, who was a Conservative MP at the time, said "Peter Morrison has become the PM's PPS. Now he's what they call a noted pederast',' with a liking for young boys; he admitted as much to Norman Tebbitt when he became deputy chairman of the party, but added, However, I'm very discreet' and he must be!"
It seems possible that Morrison was given the job of PPS precisely because he was a paedophile; the party had dirt' on him so they could rely on his loyalty. Morrison was an alcoholic, famously incompetent, and often found asleep at his desk, so I can't think of any other reasons for his promotion to PPS. Not a thought was given to the poor children who he abused, and nobody in his party went to the police to stop him committing these crimes. Edwina Currie was quite happy to save this gossip' about child rape to boost her book sales.
Meanwhile, predatory paedophile Jimmy Savile is running Broadmoor....
And Home Secretary Leon Brittan is receiving Geoffrey Dickens MP's dossier about the Paedophile Information Exchange...
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War." Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon
"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta." The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
It is precisely this sort of attitude which has allowed decades of child abuse to be perpetrated by our churches, our politicians and our "betters".
Quote:9 May 2013 Last updated at 11:12
BBC News
Age of consent should be 13, says barrister
Ms Hewson calls Hall's crimes "misdemeanours" and warns against "fetishising victimhood"
A prominent barrister specialising in reproductive rights has called for the age of consent to be lowered to 13.
Barbara Hewson told online magazine Spiked that the move was necessary in the wake of the Jimmy Savile scandal to end the "persecution of old men".
She also said that complainants should no longer receive anonymity.
The NSPCC called her views "outdated and simply ill-informed" and said to hear them "from a highly experienced barrister simply beggars belief".
Her remarks come after a number of high-profile arrests over allegations of historical sexual offences in the wake of the Jimmy Savile scandal.
Among those to have been convicted is former BBC broadcaster Stuart Hall, who admitted 14 charges of indecently assaulting girls, including one aged nine, between 1967 and 1985.
Ms Hewson described Hall's crimes as "low-level misdemeanours" which "ordinarily... would not be prosecuted".
'Prurient charade'
"What we have here is the manipulation of the British criminal justice system to produce scapegoats on demand. It is a grotesque spectacle," she said.
"It's time to end this prurient charade, which has nothing to do with justice or the public interest."
She argues for an end to complainant anonymity, a strict statute of limitations to prevent prosecutions after a substantial amount of time has passed and a reduction in the age of consent to 13.
She said that "touching a 17-year-old's breast, kissing a 13-year-old, or putting one's hand up a 16-year-old's skirt" are not crimes comparable to gang rapes and murders and "anyone suggesting otherwise has lost touch with reality".
The NSPCC described crimes such as Hall's as "incredibly serious" and said that "to minimise and trivialise the impact of these offences for victims in this way is all but denying that they have in fact suffered abuse at all.
"Any suggestion of lowering the age of consent could put more young people at risk from those who prey on vulnerable young people."
It also argued that complainant anonymity should be maintained and that historical prosecutions should be allowed as "many who are abused are bullied, blackmailed and shamed into staying silent, often well into adulthood".
The Hardwicke chambers, where Ms Hewson works in London, said it dissociated itself from her comments.
In a statement, Hardwicke said: "We are shocked by the views expressed in Barbara Hewson's article in Spiked.
"We did not see or approve the article pre-publication and we completely dissociate ourselves from its content and any related views she may have expressed via social media or any other media outlets."
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War." Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon
"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta." The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
Ben told me he had more things that are of public interest concerning his conversation with the Police. I suggested it's best to spill everything he has. Here's the tape of the Police interview from November 2012.
Ben as he was when the paedophile predators tried to work him over.
It covers his experiences as a child actor, being offered by his agent Sylvia Young to Tom Cruise for sex (Tom chose someone else), Christopher Cazenove making violent sexual moves on him in a hotel room, and how he is advised to make a Police statement to protect himself from Ken Clarke suing him for the penis-touching allegations. (Once allegations are subject of a Police enquiry, the alleger cannot be sued. Furthermore, not mentioned, no newspaper can carry them)
That's just the first tape.
'That's how it was for me,' Ben says.
He explains that Max Clifford has many people recorded on tape 'admitting what they do', (TAP - presumably with kids). Was this why Max Clifford was arrested?
There's a lot of background on how the entertainment industry works and the exploitation of young actors, and how people hold dirt on each other to keep each other quiet. Young actors who love all the glamour will do 'pretty much whatever' to get a career. It's all about control, says Ben.
Esther Rantzen invited him to a party in the New Forest. Drugs. Alcohol. Children. Adults. Sex.
Police comment - 'There's the screen face, then there's who these people really are'.
A 13 year old from an Australian soap was raped at an after show party in front of fifteen people. The perpetrator is named. No one did anything about it.
Mel Smith. Joanna Lumley. Joan Collins. Drugs. Ben told the Press a few of the seedier details of his encounters with these people. The newspapers reported none of it. The PR machine makes them all seem like wonders of the world. As Ben makes clear in this video, they definitely are not. As usual the Police are concerned not to investigate but to keep the lid on the pot.
Ben seems to want to get it all off is chest, and talks fluently as you would expect from a professional actor. Once you start listening, you are transported to the end without a pause.
Bruce Forsyth is mentioned. Jimmy Savile. Andrew Lloyd Webber groomed him through multiple auditions, and then stuck his tongue down Ben's throat, grabbing Ben's genitals, when he was 15 in 1990. He didn't complain. Who could I complain to, he asks the Police officers. Silence.
From Twitter about Ben's revelations in this interview -
QUOTE: "Johnny Depp, Nicholas Cage, Tom Cruise, Collin Farrel. Outed as rent boy sceners by Ben Fellows to take on VIP paedo http://bit.ly/YPcZqG"
Ben's email to The Tap.....
<span style="font-family: Arial">
Okay here's full disclosure.
I've uploaded the first of 3 video's to utube naming names once and for all. If the Police won't do their job well then the public have a right to know what secrets the Police are keeping to use for their own benefit.
Please download and repost as this video won't last long.
Good luck!
All the best
Ben Fellows[/quote]
I found the video to be interesting.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Part 2 of the Ben Fellows interview - possibly the genesis of the Max Clifford arrest?
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Quote:Police abandon investigation into child sex abuser Sir Cyril Smith MP[ATTACH=CONFIG]4759[/ATTACH]
Westmonster MP: Child abuser Sir Cyril Smith
Pic Credit: dreamcatchersfor abusedchildren.com
A report by my colleague Nick Fielding for Exaro News ( see http://www.exaronews.com/articles/4961/p...se-of-boys ) reveals the former MP linked to child sex abuse cases at the Elm Guest House in Richmond,London to Rochdale where he was an MP is now off the hook. Full details on the site.
This is despite offers from the NSPCC charity to provide a dedicated line for victims and growing evidence that Sir Cyril's illegal activities involving young boys appear to be on a similar scale to the late Jimmy Savile's abuse of young girls which are being vigorously pursued by the Met Police s Operation Yewtree.
Greater Manchester police's decision will add to the considerable disquiet on the internet that there could be yet another Establishment cover up over child sexual abuse cases when it comes to senior politicians. It will probably also calm the nerves of at least three Liberal Democrat peers who started their political careers in the London borough of Richmond in the aftermath of the Elm Guest House scandal which they conveniently would like to forget.
Public trust that the police will properly investigate these historic scandals is paramount. Great Manchester Police have done people a grave disservice by letting off the hook someone whom they now acknowledge would have been prosecuted for a string of offences.
Three LibDem peers eh. I wonder who they are?
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
The last few minutes of the last proper investigative programme on ITV: The Cook Report.
The guy in glasses at around 2:25 is Ray Wyre.
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War." Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon
"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta." The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
Jan Klimkowski Wrote:The last few minutes of the last proper investigative programme on ITV: The Cook Report.
The guy in glasses at around 2:25 is Ray Wyre.
So the US Custom's is passing along the information and the UK investigators are not getting them. The same lists that an investigative journalist can get hold of. So who isn't passing it along? Should not be too hard to discover but will probably not be looked into....
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx
"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.
“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.