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Peter Presland & Wikispooks: congratulations
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http://wikispooks.com/wiki/WikiSpooks:Ab...te_Purpose

Are there any instructions for those of those of us who've never read a set in our lives?

Joking aside, well done,

Paul
"There are three sorts of conspiracy: by the people who complain, by the people who write, by the people who take action. There is nothing to fear from the first group, the two others are more dangerous; but the police have to be part of all three,"

Joseph Fouche
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#2
Yes, congratulations Peter! I know you've put an awful lot of work in setting it all up. It will serve a good purpose in bring a bit of light and sunshine to some dark and nefarious activities. :fight:We'll put it in the Research Tools board and make it a sticky of it in Black Ops as well.
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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#3
Thanks Paul and Magda

On Paul's help request - briefly:

Search for any term in the top search box. If it does not produce a page fitting what you have in mind, simply click on the red coloured term you searched on that appears in the search results following 'Create this page' and create it yourself. Like anything else the page creation/editing process can seem intimidating at first but frankly it is less complex than using MS Word or similar. There is also comprehensive help available in the linked help files.

The thing about authoring for a wiki is that you have to have a pretty thick skin because anyone else can come along and edit your masterpiece. Some find this hard to deal with and it clearly attracts vandals, spammer, those with an agenda - spooks?? and the like; but all changes are easily patrolled and reversed. If such edits are clearly malicious or counter to clearly stated policy, the culprit will be blocked from editing by a sysop (currently just your truly but volunteers welcome).

It is intended as a reference source, NOT a discussion board

I don't really expect it to take off and I'm relaxed about it really. Learned a lot about dedicated server management and wiki software too. I just intend to keep plugging away at it as my Winston Smith way of dealing with the Orwellian world we now inhabit.

Funny thing is that I've started it at a time when I'm beginning to lean to the view that there is probably not much time left for this sort of thing to be of general use, because epoch-defining upheavals to the established order are probably much closer than our normal everyday 'consensus trance' allows for.

Still, It's therapy and if it pulls some 'Authoritatives' chains so much the better.
Peter Presland

".....there is something far worse than Nazism, and that is the hubris of the Anglo-American fraternities, whose routine is to incite indigenous monsters to war, and steer the pandemonium to further their imperial aims"
Guido Preparata. Preface to 'Conjuring Hitler'[size=12][size=12]
"Never believe anything until it has been officially denied"
Claud Cockburn

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Bravo, Peter. I'll dispense with all of the appropriate emoticons and simply say "thanks", "well done", and the like.

As there is so much, even in this limited topical area, that occupies our time and energy, it might be useful for some kind of mechanism, internally or perhaps here, that can keep bystanders, lurkers and occasionals all apprised about what's going on, what's hot, what is needed, what is actively being developed, etc. For someone like myself, for example, I would not want to get just peripherally involved because too many cooks spoil the broth, nor would I necessarily be beneficial in making any kind of mediocre contribution to a topic I knew little about or had little interest in. On the other hand, a simple system could be devised that would kept a large body of antennae alert to the site's specific energy and topical focus. It might also be a moot point for me since I am American, but perhaps not.

Again, thanks and well done.
"Where is the intersection between the world's deep hunger and your deep gladness?"
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Ed Jewett Wrote:Bravo, Peter. I'll dispense with all of the appropriate emoticons and simply say "thanks", "well done", and the like.
Thanks Ed One thing I want to stress is that I don't see WikiSpooks as being in any kind of competition with DPF. It's not a suitable platform for threaded discussions anyway. It is intended as a reference in similar fashion to Wikipedia and so is also relatively unsuitable for dealing with breaking/developing news.

All that said, I appreciate there are only so many hours in the day such that major time commitments to one site will detract from contributions to another - which explains the decline in my own DPF posting rate lately.

Also, don't bother about 'being American'. I know the stuff on WikiSpooks so far is somewhat UK biased, but that's just me. It is real therapy for me to simply pull the chains of our insufferably arrogant, pompous, deeply corrupt Establishment, so I tend to concentrate on things UK so-to-speak. However, IMHO, the US State is really where it's all at when it comes to mid-20th century and beyond Deep State stuff. Despite all the dumbing down and the inanities of popular US political culture, it seems to me that there is more serious knowledge and understanding of Deep Politics among dissident Americans than almost anywhere else. I know much of my own education is owed to them.

So do what you can is what I say.
Peter Presland

".....there is something far worse than Nazism, and that is the hubris of the Anglo-American fraternities, whose routine is to incite indigenous monsters to war, and steer the pandemonium to further their imperial aims"
Guido Preparata. Preface to 'Conjuring Hitler'[size=12][size=12]
"Never believe anything until it has been officially denied"
Claud Cockburn

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#6
Well done! How can I help?

It probably doesn't matter at all, but I was thinking your logo should be more spook-like, maybe some logo based on the Shadow or some spooky looking man in black with black fedora.
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Helen Reyes Wrote:Well done! How can I help?

It probably doesn't matter at all, but I was thinking your logo should be more spook-like, maybe some logo based on the Shadow or some spooky looking man in black with black fedora.

Thanks Helen.

On the logo; you may well be right but I've already spent an age on it. Considered deep dark pools with ripples, some good 'black-hole' images and some cartoon/comical stuff too. Frankly the comical stuff seemed a bit out of place for what is intended as a serious subject - though I accept that satire is one of the most potent weapons against established power. Also, mucking about with colour on the Mediawiki platform is not a simple matter, so that a tint of blue was ultimately the best bet from a 'don't make-work' standpoint.

The upshot? - the logo will have to do for now.

On how to help: ANY help will be well received. No instructions really. All the rules are fairly clearly spelled out. What's needed is some good solid aggregation of the main Deep Political issues in good articles with copious links - all done with a presumption against 'the official narrative'. Original in depth stuff on lesser know/more recent issues also needed - as is absolutely anything that fits the description of 'reference material on Deep Political issues'. Involvement by others pre-disposed to support for the project has already produced very valuable feedback and changes. I'm working on an automated category tree page right now which will make navigation and finding things a bit easier - and reveal all the gaping holes too.

Assuming the site starts to attract serious traffic, it will also need additional reliable sysops/admins too; but I'm still feeling my way a bit right now and in no hurry - glitches keep appearing and I'd rather get them all ironed out before going ballistic.

Actually received 3 anonymous u/ls today - about the beaching of the SS Independence - full of toxic/radio-active waste on the beach at Alang India last year - already public domain though and from a site already publishing them so anonymity hardly needed. Not sure what I'll do with them yet.

The site has delivered over 48,000 page loads in May - just over 30,000 of them since Cryptome ran a piece on it on Sunday! So, you never know.

Why not just create an account, have a potter around and put a few things up yourself?
Peter Presland

".....there is something far worse than Nazism, and that is the hubris of the Anglo-American fraternities, whose routine is to incite indigenous monsters to war, and steer the pandemonium to further their imperial aims"
Guido Preparata. Preface to 'Conjuring Hitler'[size=12][size=12]
"Never believe anything until it has been officially denied"
Claud Cockburn

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Peter Presland Wrote:Actually received 3 anonymous u/ls today - about the beaching of the SS Independence - full of toxic/radio-active waste on the beach at Alang India last year - already public domain though and from a site already publishing them so anonymity hardly needed. Not sure what I'll do with them yet.

The site has delivered over 48,000 page loads in May - just over 30,000 of them since Cryptome ran a piece on it on Sunday! So, you never know.

Why not just create an account, have a potter around and put a few things up yourself?

OK I did! I saw the u/l files earlier and the cryptome item, figured it was sending traffic your way. I guess I'll try to read through the rules and About and Help stuff. One thing, I might be wrong about this, but I think the word "wiki" predates Wikipedia and they absconded with it, I think it was around about the same time I started seeing CSV trees (I think "CSV") for collaborative coding projects.

I can only really picture doing fairly obscure items on wikispooks, because there are so many experts on things like JFK and so many other topics and I know so little compared. I guess I can always edit the English-language copy if there are errors, that sort of thing.

Looking forward to it.
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#9
Congratulations Peter. WikiSpooks really is impressive. Thanks for putting so much time and energy into the causes you believe in.
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Peter Presland Wrote:...
On the logo; you may well be right but I've already spent an age on it. ...

I'm awestruck by your logo 'cause it's so excellent. Good clean simple logos are brutally hard to do.

What application did you use for it Peter? Photoshop? Illustrator?

Wow, you even created a good quality favicon with it. Also super hard to do. Kudos.
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