planes vs no planes passangers living or dead?

[Dawn Meredith]

I probably need my head slapped for asking this ...but I think if would be interesting to have a discussion here, on the relevent section of the forum, as to what DPF mebers believe re 9-11.
1. Did no planes hit what we are told they hit?
2. What happened to the planes?
3 Were there just no planes at all?
4.. Where are the passangers?
5. where is T Carter's friend?
6. Where is Barbara Olsen.?


I will start by saying that this is a red herring issue in my view. I beleive the same re alteration of the Z film. It is what Vince Salandria called "microanalysis." We HAVE conspiracy in both cases regardless of the answers to the questions above.

And I am looking for answers NOT long videos and links.
I just do not have the time. Work is overwhlemingly busy and I have to allocate my time most carefully.

So links will be considered - (by me only)- non responsive. I am just looking for what people think and why they think it.

Merci,
Dawn

[Jack White]

I probably need my head slapped for asking this ...but I think if would be interesting to have a discussion here, on the relevent section of the forum, as to what DPF mebers believe re 9-11.
1. Did no planes hit what we are told they hit?
2. What happened to the planes?
3 Were there just no planes at all?
4.. Where are the passangers?
5. where is T Carter's friend?
6. Where is Barbara Olsen.?


I will start by saying that this is a red herring issue in my view. I beleive the same re alteration of the Z film. It is what Vince Salandria called "microanalysis." We HAVE conspiracy in both cases regardless of the answers to the questions above.

And I am looking for answers NOT long videos and links.
I just do not have the time. Work is overwhlemingly busy and I have to allocate my time most carefully.

So links will be considered - (by me only)- non responsive. I am just looking for what people think and why they think it.

Merci,
Dawn

1. Did planes hit?
It is more accurate to say DID THE SPECIFIED HIJACKED AIRLINERS HIT?
It is possible that remote controlled flying aircraft were involved, but NOT
hijacked 757s or 767s.

2. What happened to the planes?
The best thinking at present is that the flights did not exist per the
official story, and that "flights carrying purported passengers" landed
in Cleveland, where passengers were diverted.

3. Were there no planes at all?
There were no hijacked 757s or 767s involved in crashes. This is a
separate issue of whether there were planes or no planes.

4. Where are the passengers?
Many of the passengers appear to be fictitious. The ones who were
real may have been flown to a NASA hanger in Cleveland, where
they were put aboard a different plane which has disappeared.

5. Where is T. Carter's friend?
Dead...somewhere not known.

6. Where is Barbara Olson?
Dead...somewhere not known.

Some of these questions have no known answers.

Jack

[Peter Lemkin]

I probably need my head slapped for asking this ...but I think if would be interesting to have a discussion here, on the relevent section of the forum, as to what DPF mebers believe re 9-11.
1. Did no planes hit what we are told they hit?
2. What happened to the planes?
3 Were there just no planes at all?
4.. Where are the passangers?
5. where is T Carter's friend?
6. Where is Barbara Olsen.?


I will start by saying that this is a red herring issue in my view. I beleive the same re alteration of the Z film. It is what Vince Salandria called "microanalysis." We HAVE conspiracy in both cases regardless of the answers to the questions above.

And I am looking for answers NOT long videos and links.
I just do not have the time. Work is overwhlemingly busy and I have to allocate my time most carefully.

So links will be considered - (by me only)- non responsive. I am just looking for what people think and why they think it.

Merci,
Dawn

1. Did planes hit?
It is more accurate to say DID THE SPECIFIED HIJACKED AIRLINERS HIT?
It is possible that remote controlled flying aircraft were involved, but NOT
hijacked 757s or 767s.

2. What happened to the planes?
The best thinking at present is that the flights did not exist per the
official story, and that "flights carrying purported passengers" landed
in Cleveland, where passengers were diverted.

3. Were there no planes at all?
There were no hijacked 757s or 767s involved in crashes. This is a
separate issue of whether there were planes or no planes.

4. Where are the passengers?
Many of the passengers appear to be fictitious. The ones who were
real may have been flown to a NASA hanger in Cleveland, where
they were put aboard a different plane which has disappeared.

5. Where is T. Carter's friend?
Dead...somewhere not known.

6. Where is Barbara Olson?
Dead...somewhere not known.

Some of these questions have no known answers.

Jack

Part of this line of questioning is IMO part of the 'game' the PTB cat is playing on we Pleb 'mice'. A few of them know the answers, yet refuse to enlighten the rest of us, or to provide a real investigation[s]. Much of this line is to make researchers look like paranoid fools before the average citizen and to be made fun of by the controlled media propaganda machinery. As far as I know, Jack, there is evidence for one flight landing at Cleveland - very good evidence - but as you mention, all trace of the other plane involved has been covered up. There is good evidence that few of the alleged hijackers were on the flights they supposed boarded. At least one of the planes that 'crashed' has evidence of still being in service. My best guess at investigating this magic show [just as was Dallas - though a different sort and at a time when the technology was not so advanced] is that: Real planes [normal planes departed, but might have been either switched or remote controlled at some time after they left. As to who was on them - both as passengers and alleged highjackers has not been established. Why, I ask, is the govt. refusing to prove the planes they say were invoved were the recovered 'crashed' planes?! Smells bad! It is my guess that the phone calls were all of mostly faked to set up the scenario. Yes, planes, drones, planes not under the control of any human in them or missiles disguised as planes hit the WTC I and II and the Pentagon, but the official version is a fiction in many important ways. Why at the Pentagon are we denied the vidotapes and why did the antiaircraft batteries not fire. Even more mysterious is the complete lack of defense against any of the 'planes' or objects heading into buildings and fields. Shanksville is a complete lie. Whatever it was was shot down. Missile likely hit Pentagon. Plane sized objects hit WTC towers, but if they were original flights unknown. If yes, why hide the evidence? In any case this matter is being used to divide the research community and to attempt to make fools of others. As in Dallas and so many other, we are not the ones who should be investigating this, it is the government, but as in both cases it seems they were complicit and/or blackmailed in covering it up and keeping the Big Lie alive, we are left with no other choice if we want to know the truth. They have the physical evidence and subpeona power, etc. All we have is our curiosity, logic, morality and wits - four things they do not.

[Peter Presland]

FWIW

The replies from Jack and Peter L pretty much cover my own position on all this. The only thing I am 100% on is that the official narrative, for which the Kean Hamilton Commission and NIST provide the cover, is fundamentally false.

Amongst the most potent evidence leading to this conclusion is the way in which officialdom refuses to make evidence available - plane parts/part numbers and the Pentagon videos being the most glaringly obvious examples. There is clearly something VERY damaging that must be hidden.

I am as certain as I am of anything, that powerful elements within the US State apparatus planned and executed the events of 911. Precisely how it was accomplished I do NOT know but I remain open to considering ANY evidence, some of the most potent of which, as a class, is always the way in which information potentially threatening to the official narrative is handled by it guardians.

[Magda Hassan]

Alberto Dominguez was a real person. He and his family are known to my husband through the Latin American community here.. He was on flight 11 and did not come home.

[Peter Lemkin]

Alberto Dominguez was a real person. He and his family are known to my husband through the Latin American community here.. He was on flight 11 and did not come home.

While many [about half or more] of the 'hijackers' turned up alive and well and confused afterwards, I know of no example, personally, of an alleged passenger returning or turning up alive - though I might be misinformed. It is simply not known if they were sacrificed in the planes they entered or by other means. The government says they found DNA in the debris/crash of all of the 'victims' and none of the 'hijackers' - go figure. [DNA technology non-responsive to 'jihadist DNA?] Most of the known victims in the buildings also really died, it seems. In truth many died - and many many more in the wars afterwards, which I believe these false-flag events were meant to trigger. My approximate count of how many have died due to 9-11 is about 1.500.000+; more tortured and imprisoned without due process, whole nations placed under false fear and loosing their Rights....the rich getting richer and everyone else poorer. This all was planned.

The alleged hijackers are not even listed on the lists of dead passengers - which according to the official story [or fairytale] they were, whatever else they did or did not do....I think they [if they were there at all] were as surprised as all others on the flight when it was taken over by some kind of remote control technology - leaving NO humans [including the pilots] in control. There is much evidence of the places and timing of turns the planes took matching positions of known control systems of this sort.
:aetsch::flute: I'd like to note that to this day there has been NO [repeat zero] independent/uncontrolled investigation intent on finding the real causes and results of the events of 9-11. This is not an accident. As stated just above, the Govt. has a lot to hide and is hiding it....this alone leaves me [and others] to speculate that the official version is a Big Lie....what the Big Truth is, is hidden behind many layers of smoke, mirrors, lasers, nanothermite, lies, withheld evidence and more... Why did Bush and Chaney reluctantly testify together and not under oath...but one could go on and on and on and on......I believe the PTB rest assured martial law will prevail before a really outraged public awaken to demand an answer.....:ridinghorse:

The glue that holds the pieces of repression together, and immune from public lynching and accountability, IMO is the MSM and its function as a propaganda arm. :alberteinstein:

[Helen Reyes]

Purely personal beliefs:

1. Did no planes hit what we are told they hit?

Two remote-controlled military planes hit WTC, first one possibly fired some sort of missile into the bldg to soften it up less than a second before impact. Cruise missile hit Pentagon after low fly-over by large jet. Shanksville: no idea.

2. What happened to the planes?

Passenger planes rerouted. Passengers detained at black sites.

3 Were there just no planes at all?

No.

4.. Where are the passangers?

Dead or incarcerated.

5. where is T Carter's friend?

Not familiar. The Pentagon burnt arm? Dead presumably.

6. Where is Barbara Olsen.?

Stewardess? No idea. Dead presumably.

[Carsten Wiethoff]

6. Where is Barbara Olsen.?

Stewardess? No idea. Dead presumably.

Sorry, but that's actually funny.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Olson
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?c...a&aid=8514

[Jack White]

Purely personal beliefs:

1. Did no planes hit what we are told they hit?

Two remote-controlled military planes hit WTC, first one possibly fired some sort of missile into the bldg to soften it up less than a second before impact. Cruise missile hit Pentagon after low fly-over by large jet. Shanksville: no idea.

2. What happened to the planes?

Passenger planes rerouted. Passengers detained at black sites.

3 Were there just no planes at all?

No.

4.. Where are the passangers?

Dead or incarcerated.

5. where is T Carter's friend?

Not familiar. The Pentagon burnt arm? Dead presumably.

6. Where is Barbara Olsen.?

Stewardess? No idea. Dead presumably.

Barbara OLSON was a CNN TV personality and wife of
US Solicitor General Ted Olson.

Jack

[Adrian Mack]

I will start by saying that this is a red herring issue in my view

Co-sign. The 'planes/no-planes' question is meant to divide, distract, and discredit.