Quote:A further sign of Williams’s importance was that he had been assigned to live at 36 Alderney Street – a high-security apartment in Pimlico that MI6 would have previously used to debrief one of its agents or a defector. Like all safe houses, it was functionally furnished – but with a direct phone line to MI6 headquarters less than a mile away. Williams would have been cautioned about who he was allowed to entertain at home.
OK - this changes mucho.
Codebreakers are important, but the secret services see them as functionaries, not players.
36 Alderney Street sounds like a place for players, not functionaries.
Quote:In 2003, he spent six months at Menwith Hill, the ultra-secret RAF station in Yorkshire. In reality, it is a transplant of the United States; the only connection with Britain is the detachment of Ministry of Defence police that patrols the perimeter.
It was here that Williams learned how to analyse the findings from Menwith Hill’s radomes – the imposing white structures resembling gigantic golf balls that intercept coded messages from satellite communication systems, which are then broken before being sent to GCHQ for further analysis.
In 2006, Williams also spent time at Fort Meade in Maryland, home of the United States’ National Security Agency, GCHQ’s partner in global surveillance. As GCHQ gathers secret intelligence from Europe, Africa and Russia west of the Ural Mountains, NSA covers east of the mountains, including Japan and China, the Pacific and South America. As a new arrival, Williams was invited to listen to recordings of Osama bin Laden talking to his mother on his satellite phone in the aftermath of 9/11.
These American links are strong and significant (ignoring the tosh about Osama and his mom).
Perhaps Williams broke a code he wasn't meant to break.
Perhaps he was the signals operator for deep black covert ops.
The way this plays out, and the degree of unattributable Kompromat briefing, will be revealing.
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War." Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon
"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta." The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
31-08-2010, 09:16 PM (This post was last modified: 31-08-2010, 09:40 PM by Peter Lemkin.)
The largest 'holdall' I could find on the internet for sale in the UK was this which is 100 x 40 x 40. How could they keep a straight face and 'entertain' his possibly commiting suicide inside the bag [no doubt zipped shut too!]...and unlikely so large as this one for cricket kit. I noticed they also in the articles subtly 'dropped' the 'hint' he was gay and into S&M and had gone to a gay bar not long ago. I find interesting that he was doing joint work with the NSA and CIA - and had been to Afghanistan. This guy was no junior player in the spook world. :y:
Wouldn't even be surprised if the team who done Kelly done Williams....
And this from the Mail...[caveat emptor!]
Riddle of murder spy's money trail: Why, for three days in a row, was £2,000 paid into his account and then taken out?
By Charlotte Gill, Emily Andrews, Tom Kelly and James Tozer
Last updated at 12:25 PM on 28th August 2010
Thousands of pounds mysteriously moved through the bank account of murdered MI6 spy Gareth Williams in the fortnight before his death.
Police sources say they are investigating three sums of £2,000 paid into his account on consecutive days, then withdrawn on consecutive days with the last transaction happening on the eve of his killing.
It is understood to have been established that the sums did not come from his £42,000 salary, and officers are trying to discover who supplied the money and why.
One theory being explored is that the movement of cash could indicate 31-year-old Mr Williams was a victim of blackmail and had transferred money from a savings account into his current account before using it to pay off his tormentor.
Another possibility is that he could have been selling information and was paid the money before transferring it into another account or passing it on to another informant.
There could also be a perfectly innocent explanation, with perhaps a friend or relative repaying the cipher and codes specialist for a loan and him putting the money in a different account.
It is understood that an internal row has broken out between the police and both the intelligence and security services, with ‘spooks’ effectively being accused of sabotaging the police operation.
A source claimed detectives have been ‘blocked’ from interviewing several potentially crucial witnesses.
Mr Williams’s ‘best friend’, a female colleague at the Government’s listening post, was posted to work for an intelligence agency linked to Pentagon in the U.S. five weeks ago.
The 25-year-old woman and her husband, who also knew Mr Williams, both worked at GCHQ in Cheltenham and were ‘suddenly’ transferred to Denver, Colorado, on secret duties.
Murder squad detectives are keen to speak to her in case she can offer any clues to why someone would want Mr Williams dead. :call:
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War." Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon
"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta." The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
Interesting claim of stab wounds (officially denied) and details of mortgage on 36 Alderney Street. However, source is unverified:
Quote:Pimlico
London
England
Thursday, August 26, 2010
Gareth Willaims a talented 31 year old man who was educated at Cambridge University, before working for nearly ten years as an employee of MI6 – GCHQ was found dead in a central London flat in upmarket Pimlico after being brutally murdered
• Background Profile
Gareth Williams
31-year-old
British national of Welsh origin
Foreign Office worker
GCHQ the government's secret listening service in Cheltenham
Division of MI6
aka
A Spy working covertly for British Intelligence
British national of Welsh origin
Originally from Anglesey, Holyhead Wales
• Murder Scene
Gareth Williams was found dead in his apartment in Pimlico around 1640 hours on Monday 23 August when police officers attended the flat
His dead body had been stuffed into a sports bag and dumped in the bath in the flats bathroom
First reports in assess that he was murdered maybe up to two weeks ago, and his body had remained undiscovered during that time
The body was covered in several stab wounds and the torso had started decomposing
His mobile phone and several SIM cards were found in the flat
Residence
Top floor flat
36, Alderney Street
Pimlico
London
The property is owned by a private company - New Rodina
• Education
Attended Bodedern secondary school, he was an inspired student who had private tutoring outside of the school curriculum, he was brilliant at maths
Studied at Cambridge University
• Hobbies
Keeping fit by cycling and running
• Personality
Is said to have been a very friendly guy who kept himself to himself
Very clever of course as you do not attend Cambridge University if you are a dummy
This murder is assured to create international interests and comments, his murderers could well by the Russian KGB
Anyone with information on this spy’s brutal murder may contact the police or the MI6 contact details below. All information will be treated in strict confidence and for safety your personal bio data will not be released to anyone
Address and Contact Data
MI6
The official website of the British Secret Intelligence Service (SIS), also known as MI6
Members of the public who wish to contact SIS from the UK may do so via PO Box 1300, London SE1 1BD
If your information relates to an imminent threat to life or property, please contact the police on 999 or the police Anti-Terrorist Hotline on 0800 789 321
Rodina – In Russian and Bulgarian rodina means motherland
New Rodina – A company registered in the British Virgin Islands and is not listed with Companies House
Park Nelson – A London law firm said to represent the owners of 36, Alderney Street
Pimlico London
36, Alderney Street was bought for £675,250 in 2000 with a mortgage from the Royal Bank of Scotland and has been remortgaged twice, in September 2005 and February 2006
MI6 – GCHQ - It is long-standing Government policy not to confirm or deny that any individual works for the intelligence agencies
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War." Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon
"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta." The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
01-09-2010, 06:59 AM (This post was last modified: 01-09-2010, 07:14 AM by Peter Lemkin.)
Well, the 'details; are all over the map now [likely mostly on purpose - partly in the official news blackout]:
He was stabbed and not stabbed.
He was dismembered and not dismembered.
He is reported to have been 'brutally' murdered as well as the flat having NO signs of struggle or foul play...go figure.
His flat was still locked - no forced entry - yet he had a phone with direct line to MI6, so whoever it was was a known 'friend'.
He was somehow put in an athletic bag - which to me implies dismemberment - and put in the bath [without, it seems] leaving blood or signs of a struggle - virtually impossible.
He worked in a field rife with deaths due to work - yet the police seem to want to hint he may have died: accidently; by foul play of a sexual partner; even commited suicide [a Houdini act, that!]
Preliminary coroner's report couldn't find a cause of death [or so we are told].
Hints that whatever trial, inquests, reports etc. will be secret and not made public.
Hints that the intelligence services are blocking the Police investigation.
Claims of stange money transfers in his bank account AFTER he is dead.
Trips [4+ per year, they say] to NSA and CIA HQ......
Hints that his best friend at work who was slated to do some job in five weeks in D.C. was suddenly moved to Denver.
Quite a mix!!!!! :alberteinstein:
Obviously, it was not his bicycling!!!! :hmmmm2:
I think this will be silently made to disappear with no 'closure'. [Secrets of the State]
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
01-09-2010, 08:41 AM (This post was last modified: 01-09-2010, 09:11 AM by Peter Lemkin.)
Magda Hassan Wrote:You forgot something Peter! "Police say that there are no suspicious circumstances."
It is true, everyone dies.....somehow....:burnout:
Lets hope this doesn't start a rash of copycat suicides!
[Psssst...don't tell anyone I said so, but EVERY part of this saga is suspicious!....most suspicious is it being called not suspicious!] The British Police and Intelligence crowd certainly have learned to lie with a stiff upper lip.....How can the public take anything they say seriously anymore?! The best bit was the hypothetical that a 'friend' [not the murderer] had happened on the body and in a panic put the body in the bag [how?!], and then FORGOTTEN it in the bath......got a belly laugh from me!!! What friend would forget their friend's dead body in a bag in the bath?....I guess he/she had Altzheimers and MI6 diseases. Carefull, the latter is contageous! The Police and the MSM have already caught a fatal case, I fear. The corker, however, was the entertainment of suicide.....something even Houdini on LSD couldn't have come up with!...but the Police somehow managed to imagine....
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
02-09-2010, 05:22 AM (This post was last modified: 02-09-2010, 06:24 AM by Peter Lemkin.)
He was found PADLOCKED into the sports bag...and they still entertain 'suicide'...my Houdini on LSD quip was not far off the mark!.....The inquest also strangely has been adjourned a week [guess they are waiting for orders on what they are to find....]mokin:
Dead spy was found padlocked inside bag
By Terri Judd
Thursday, 2 September 2010
The British codebreaker found dead in the bath of his London flat last month had been padlocked inside a sports holdall, an inquest heard yesterday.
Gareth Williams, 31, is thought to have been dead for more than a week when his remains were discovered on 23 August at his home in Pimlico, half a mile from the headquarters of the secret intelligence service MI6, where he worked.
Colleagues reported him missing when he did not turn up for work for at least 10 days. He was last seen eight days before his body was found, Westminster Coroner's Court was told.
A post-mortem examination failed to establish a cause of death but a pathologist said Mr Williams was not stabbed or shot and bore no obvious signs of strangulation.
Detectives are still trying to determine whether he was asphyxiated or poisoned, or whether drugs or alcohol were in his system. The coroner, Dr Paul Knapman, said the body was in an advanced state of decay when discovered by police, and was in a sports bag that had been "padlocked shut".
Sources within the murder team have said suggestions of national security or terrorism links to the case are "pretty low down the list of probabilities". They say officers are examining Mr Williams's private affairs and not his professional life. Originally from Anglesey in north Wales, he was days from completing a one-year secondment to MI6 from his job at GCHQ, the Government "listening post" at Cheltenham which monitors communications for intelligence purposes.
Dr Knapman said he was to be kept informed of how the inquiry was progressing and would consider when to release the body. The inquest was adjourned for a week. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/cri...68095.html
--------------------------------------------- And another change in the story - now signs of break-in; before clearly stated NO SIGNS of forced entry...They [they] have also dropped the S&M line - go figure!
Helen Carter and Richard Norton-Taylor
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 29 August 2010 16.02 BST
Further questions have been raised over the death of an MI6 officer after police confirmed that reports of bondage equipment found at his flat and a "ritualistic" arrangement of his possessions were untrue.
The body of Gareth Williams was found stuffed in a bag in the bath of an MI6 safehouse in Pimlico, south London, a week ago. Reports have said there was evidence of a break-in, and that sim cards containing the numbers of gay escorts were found at the flat, but police who found the body told Channel 4 News it was "a neat job", leading to speculation that Williams was killed in a professional hit.
The police and security services seem to disagree over precisely what led to Williams' death, with Whitehall sources maintaining that his death was "more to do with his private life than his job".
Claims that 31-year-old Williams was secretly gay appear to be wrong, according to the original police dispatch seen by Channel 4. His family claim Williams has been the victim of a smear campaign to deflect attention from his work within the intelligence service. He is thought to have played a role in gathering intelligence as a code-cracker or cipher, and was seconded to MI6 from GCHQ.
Contrary to some reports, three mobile phone sim cards found in the flat were not arranged in a "ritualistic" manner, a Metropolitan police spokesman told the Guardian.
The police confirmed that Williams was last seen on 15 August, eight days before his body was found. Initial reports said he had not been seen for a fortnight. His body was discovered when police were called to check on him after a GCHQ colleague voiced concerns. Police found no mess and no sign of a struggle.
Williams's uncle, William Hughes, said it was possible the government or another agency might be attempting to discredit his nephew by orchestrating a smear campaign. He said Williams's parents, who live on Anglesey, were "very, very angry" about false reports over his private life. He said his nephew's reputation was being destroyed by the "horrible and completely fictitious accounts".
Last week a pathologist was unable to establish a cause of death. Toxicology tests will determine if he was poisoned, or if drugs or alcohol were a factor.
There have been claims that Williams was killed by someone he knew, after reports that thousands of pounds were paid into and withdrawn from his bank account in the days leading up to his death. Police said such reports were "pure speculation".
Williams is known to have been a private man, a mathematical prodigy who studied at Bangor University for a degree at 13, emerging with first-class honours. He later attended St Catharine's College, Cambridge, where he failed to complete his studies and returned to GCHQ, where he joined a contingent of keen cyclists.
Williams regularly travelled to the United States, where it is understood that he worked at the National Security Agency at Fort Meade in Maryland, the US government's listening post and the largest intelligence agency in the world.
He was sent to MI6's station in Kabul where he is thought to have helped in breaking codes used by the Taliban. Last year he moved on secondment to MI6. He was due to return to GCHQ at the start of next month. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/aug/29...ims-untrue
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The Daily Mail reported that Williams flew to the NSA, the Pentagon's listening post, up to four times a year. He returned from his last trip a few weeks before he was found dead. The paper said US intelligence officers were poring over Williams's work and personal life to see whether the circumstances of his death endangered US national security.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
02-09-2010, 06:21 PM (This post was last modified: 02-09-2010, 09:32 PM by Peter Lemkin.)
Only new information I have found is that his work was connnected with Eschelon and five weeks ago [three before his murder] his best work friend was transfered suddenly to Denver - rather than to the long-planned later post to D.C.:bandit:
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Telegraph softening up Public for hush-hush all the way...
By John Bingham
Published: 8:00AM BST 31 Aug 2010
The intense secrecy surrounding the investigation has prompted speculation that any future court case could be the first murder trial in British legal history to be held entirely behind closed doors.
Mr Williams, 31, an employee of GCHQ, the government’s “listening post” in Cheltenham, Glos, who was working on secondment to MI6 in London, was found dead at a flat in London last week.
No one has been arrested and police have been investigating Mr Williams’s background as well as his movements in the days before his death.
But it is thought that the unique level of sensitivity around the case – with the dead man, his workmates, his movements and even the flat where he was found all linked to the security services – could make any future court case virtually impossible to try in public.
Lawyers said that powers already available under the criminal procedure rules 2005 could be used by a judge to hold all or part of any future trial in secret for reasons of national security.
Under a separate procedure the prosecution could even apply for a “Public Interest Immunity certificate” banning sensitive evidence being disclosed even to the defence.
Similar powers were recently used by David Miliband, the former Foreign Secretary, in an attempt to prevent three senior judges disclosing details about the treatment of Binyam Mohamed, the former Guantánamo Bay detainee.
In 2008 the case of Wang Yam, a financial adviser accused of murdering Allan Chappelow, an 86-year-old writer, made legal history when it was heard partly in secret.
The public and press were excluded while the defence case was heard, despite objections from Yam’s legal team, on “national security” grounds after a PII certificate was granted, following an application from Jacqui Smith, then the Home Secretary.
With details of the investigation into Mr Williams’s death already clouded in secrecy, lawyers said that a similar approach could be taken in any future court case, with the entire trial potentially held in private.
“The runes are that they are desperate, almost at any cost, to keep this under wraps," said Mark Stephens, a partner at Finers Stephens Innocent, who led a legal challenge in the Binyam Mohamed case.
“It may be that there is a genuine national security interest but that will be very limited.
“What on has to be guarding against is that somebody is claiming national security in the interests of covering up a degree of embarrassment or incompetence or some other interest which isn’t national security.” Dan Hyde, a consultant at Cubism Law, said: “On the face of it there certainly seem to be parallels that can be drawn from the case of Allan Chappelow.
“That was a case where there were public interest immunity issues and as a result it was one of those very rare cases in which the defence was presented in camera, that is in private.
“It seems this is a case that is surrounded by intrigue, you have someone who was working for MI6, his body was found in a bag and the police did not categorise it as a murder inquiry.” :hmmmm:
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
The only new development if the 'information' the press is being fed is correct [subject to much doubt] is that his computer is missing......and that MI6 and other intel agencies are blocking those within them, who knew him, from be interviewed by the investigators. All to be expected and deplored.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
mokin: