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Peter Lemkin Wrote:Hawaii...though it is a nice place to be......very strange choice, methinks.
But not if your objective is to ensure only certain people attend, Peter. Expensive, too, I would have thought. Those Black Op t-shirts and mugs must be flying out the door.
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Agreed, Paul.
This is an abomination.
An image comes to mind ... Christ throwing the saints out of the bank.
I should think that Harlem, Appalachia, or Kandahar would have been far more fitting.
Fidel, after all, didn't take the presidential suite at the Waldorf -- not that Francis would have allowed it.
Fuck these clowns.
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I hadn't looked at the photos of the hotel, beaches, girls in hulahoops surrounding Len et al. I couldn't get the website to give me a price, but it must be, along with the airfare I'd wager at least 3X the price [on average] for someone to attend there, than in Dallas...perhaps more. Does Len live in Hawaii? Looks like he either does, or is a 'regular' there...and perhaps why he chose it...but it makes little sense for most. Yes, some few researchers are 'well-heeled', more are NOT! It is screwy and if it succeeds will unite only the well-heeled section of the fractured community. Seems like class warfare within the community - by default, if not by design. Sorry Len, if you're reading this. I listen to your show from time to time and have nothing against you or those listed. The 'concept' just seems more like an excuse to sit on a beach and watch the waves.
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Len is from British Columbia, on the west coast of Canada, maybe that is why he picked Hawaii. A location that minimizes travel time for a majority of attendees would be preferable, though the thought of sitting on a beach and watching the surf is appealing.
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John Kowalski Wrote:The purpose of the conference is to, among other things, unite the JFK research community and to focus on how to move forward and resolve differences.
Tell me, John, how in practice is such an end to be achieved? Who is going to decide which pieces of the case are to be dropped and when? Will there be a series of votes (show-of-hands/Diebold machines) based upon the quality of case made for particular lines of reasoning? How exactly?
Or is it simply a case of sign up for Jim D's Project for a New Assassination Consensus - or be anathematised?
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Paul Rigby Wrote:Peter Lemkin Wrote:Hawaii...though it is a nice place to be......very strange choice, methinks.
But not if your objective is to ensure only certain people attend, Peter. Expensive, too, I would have thought. Those Black Op t-shirts and mugs must be flying out the door.
Paul it is my understanding that this conference is also set up so that people attending can also vacation and enjoy the beaches of Hawaii. I have not seen the dates but have heard that it is during spring break and I am sure both Erick and I have court conflicts. I would live to go. Having never been to Hawaii.
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Peter Lemkin Wrote:I hadn't looked at the photos of the hotel, beaches, girls in hulahoops surrounding Len et al. I couldn't get the website to give me a price, but it must be, along with the airfare I'd wager at least 3X the price [on average] for someone to attend there, than in Dallas...perhaps more. Does Len live in Hawaii? Looks like he either does, or is a 'regular' there...and perhaps why he chose it...but it makes little sense for most. Yes, some few researchers are 'well-heeled', more are NOT! It is screwy and if it succeeds will unite only the well-heeled section of the fractured community. Seems like class warfare within the community - by default, if not by design. Sorry Len, if you're reading this. I listen to your show from time to time and have nothing against you or those listed. The 'concept' just seems more like an excuse to sit on a beach and watch the waves.
Peter: I think that the only "well heeled" researchers are perhaps those we should beware of. People do not get rich writing books on the assassinations. Far from it.
So I am totally at a loss, re this choice for a conference...I do know that Lisa and Jim will both be speaking there.
Speaking of LIsa (Pease) she will also be speaking with Jim Douglas and Oliver Stone in LA I believe 11/8. I think that is terrific.
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Paul Rigby Wrote:John Kowalski Wrote:The purpose of the conference is to, among other things, unite the JFK research community and to focus on how to move forward and resolve differences.
Tell me, John, how in practice is such an end to be achieved? Who is going to decide which pieces of the case are to be dropped and when? Will there be a series of votes (show-of-hands/Diebold machines) based upon the quality of case made for particular lines of reasoning? How exactly?
Or is it simply a case of sign up for Jim D's Project for a New Assassination Consensus - or be anathematised?
Paul, I agree that Hawaii is out of the way and no doubt many interested people, due to cost, may not be able to attend. The unity theme of the conference is important and should be addressed; perhaps the COPA conference could be a place to deal with this issue.
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John Kowalski Wrote:Paul Rigby Wrote:John Kowalski Wrote:The purpose of the conference is to, among other things, unite the JFK research community and to focus on how to move forward and resolve differences.
Tell me, John, how in practice is such an end to be achieved? Who is going to decide which pieces of the case are to be dropped and when? Will there be a series of votes (show-of-hands/Diebold machines) based upon the quality of case made for particular lines of reasoning? How exactly?
Or is it simply a case of sign up for Jim D's Project for a New Assassination Consensus - or be anathematised?
Paul, I agree that Hawaii is out of the way and no doubt many interested people, due to cost, may not be able to attend. The unity theme of the conference is important and should be addressed; perhaps the COPA conference could be a place to deal with this issue.
John
It is hardly a secret, or unthought of by ALL who attend Dallas, that there have for as long as I can remember now been TWO competing pro-conspiracy conventions - the stupidest thing I can think of. A minor difference in some details of what did or didn't 'happen' plus many bruised egos are involved. I have often wondered too if the keepers of the Big Lie don't work sub rosa to keep things divided, and individual researchers at each others throats...... From my point of view they do a pretty good job of it, overall. Good luck getting things united. It is certainly a worthy goal....but I think there is more to wrestle with than just the 'research community'. Divide and conquer is one of the oldest strategies.
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John[/QUOTE]
It is hardly a secret, or unthought of by ALL who attend Dallas, that there have for as long as I can remember now been TWO competing pro-conspiracy conventions - the stupidest thing I can think of. A minor difference in some details of what did or didn't 'happen' plus many bruised egos are involved. I have often wondered too if the keepers of the Big Lie don't work sub rosa to keep things divided, and individual researchers at each others throats...... From my point of view they do a pretty good job of it, overall. Good luck getting things united. It is certainly a worthy goal....but I think there is more to wrestle with than just the 'research community'. Divide and conquer is one of the oldest strategies.[/QUOTE]
Who are in the two groups and what divides them?
John
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