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My nostrils began twitching violently on the train this morning. Not sure if it was the Liverpool fan sitting opposite me, or the following story, which triggered the attack. Probably the latter. Does what follows ring true? Or is something much more interesting being concealed?
Quote:Stephen Timms attacker faces sentencing for attempted murder
Roshonara Choudhry stabbed MP Stephen Timms for supporting Iraq war after becoming radicalised watching sermons online
Vikram Dodd, crime correspondent
The Guardian, Wednesday 3 November 2010
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/nov/03...sentencing
Police believe a gifted student convicted of attempting to stab to death a former government minister for supporting the Iraq war is the first Briton to have been inspired by al-Qaida to try to assassinate a politician on British soil.
A senior police source and those close to Roshonara Choudhry have both told the Guardian she was radicalised after watching internet sermons given by Anwar al-Awlaki, an Islamist cleric, now in Yemen, who the US suspects was the mastermind of several terrorist plots. Top of those is the attempt uncovered on Friday to send bombs on cargo travelling in planes, which sparked a worldwide terrorist alert.
Choudhry, 21, was convicted on three charges after a short trial in which she ordered her defence team not to challenge the prosecution's case because she does not recognise the right of the British court to try her. The Old Bailey jury took just 14 minutes to return unanimous verdicts on the attempted murder charge and two counts of having an offensive weapon.
On 14 May 2010 she stabbed her local MP Stephen Timms twice in the stomach at his constituency surgery in east London. She confessed to the attack to police later that day. The investigation into the attack, initially thought to have resulted from mental illness, was taken over by Scotland Yard's counter-terrorism command after the link to Awlaki was discovered on Choudhry's computer and after she told detectives in interviews that she had watched the extremist's sermons.
Awlaki is the "spiritual leader" of al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula, whom the US suspect inspired the Muslim soldier who shot dead 13 of his colleagues in 2009 at Fort Hood, Texas.
The court heard Choudhry wanted to stab Timms to death as "punishment" for voting for the Iraq war. Interviewed by detectives hours after the attack Choudhry said she was going to keep stabbing Timms until either he was dead or she was stopped: "I was hoping to get revenge for the people of Iraq." A list of other politicians was found in her possession and she had researched voting records on Iraq.
Sir David Omand, the government's former security intelligence co-ordinator, has said the government was warned before the 2003 war that radicalisation among Muslims in the UK would increase if Britain joined the invasion.
Speaking after the verdict, the Metropolitan police's deputy assistant commissioner, Stuart Osborne, said: "Stephen Timms … was extremely fortunate not to have been killed. MPs are entitled to fulfil their role without fear of violence. There can never be any justification for anyone carrying out such an attack."
Choudhry had dropped out of her studies in English and communications at King's College London early in 2010. She had won academic prizes and was tipped for a first class degree. It is understood that examination of her computer shows Choudhry downloaded the Islamist material late in 2009.
Despite Awaki being suspected of being a terrorist mastermind and on a CIA list to be killed, videos of his sermons remain freely available on the internet.
Today Choudhry will be sentenced and will appear via videolink from prison. The maximum sentence for attempted murder is life.
Simon Clements, of the Crown Prosecution Service, said: "She admitted without hesitation that her intention was to end her victim's life, but has succeeded only in ruining her own."
Timms, Labour MP for East Ham, made a full recovery after the attack.
"There are three sorts of conspiracy: by the people who complain, by the people who write, by the people who take action. There is nothing to fear from the first group, the two others are more dangerous; but the police have to be part of all three,"
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Don't know Paul. It's just like those 'christians' who blow up abortion clinics after hearing sermons but in a Muslim context.
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx
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“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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Just in case the great unwashed got the strong smell of a spook rodent at large - alleged radicaliser Anwar al-Awlaki is, of course, a good friend of Langley and the Pentacon - the defenders of the British realm have taken a great piss in the urinal that is Vikram Dodd:
Quote:Roshonara Choudhry: I wanted to die … I wanted to be a martyr
Exclusive: Transcripts obtained by the Guardian of police interviews with Roshonara Choudhry, jailed for trying to kill Labour MP Stephen Timms, reveal extremist cleric's influence
• Read the transcripts of Roshonara Choudhry's police interview
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/nov/04...a-choudhry
Late on in the above, Timms is quoted: "It is puzzling and alarming that she seems to have reached the conclusion by spending time on some website."
Not puzzling, Stephen, simply unbelievable.
"There are three sorts of conspiracy: by the people who complain, by the people who write, by the people who take action. There is nothing to fear from the first group, the two others are more dangerous; but the police have to be part of all three,"
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Spooky (MI5?) Gilligan has been given a briefing:
Quote:Radical website publishes MP 'death list'
A website which influenced a young Muslim to stab an MP has posted dozens more MPs’ names on a 'death list’ with an exhortation to Muslims to follow her example.
By Andrew Gilligan
Published: 9:00PM GMT 04 Nov 2010
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/t...-list.html
Revolutionmuslim.com was named by Roshonara Choudhry in her police interviews as one of the sites which radicalised her. Choudhry was sentenced to life imprisonment on Wednesday for attempting to murder the former Labour minister Stephen Timms.
The site praises her as a “mujaahidah,” or holy warrior, saying: “We ask Allah to keep her safe and secure, to hasten her release and to reward this heroine immensely.”
It published a list of all the MPs who voted for the Iraq war together with an instruction to Muslims to try to kill them, saying: “We ask Allaah for her action to inspire Muslims to raise the knife of Jihaad against those who voted for the countless rapes, murders, pillages, and torture of Muslim civilians as a direct consequence of their vote.”
It also appears to incite further attacks on Mr Timms, publishing details of his constituency surgery times and venues, and even a link which shows readers where they can buy a £15 kitchen knife, similar to the one used by Choudhry, from Tesco Direct.
The website adds: “If you want to track an MP, you can find out their personal website after typing their name in this website. In their personal website, you can usually find the time and location of their surgeries where you can encounter them in person.”
The site then lists the 139 Conservative MPs that voted for the war and the 244 Labour MPs. It said that no Liberal Democrats voted for the war but added: “They have now formed a coalition government with the Conservatives.” Accompanying the statement is a prayer in Arabic to “destroy your enemy and the enemies of Islam” naming Mr Timms and the judge in the Choudhry case, Jeremy Cooke.
The website is hosted in the US, where the White House has been urged by British ministers to take urgent action against similar sites.
Patrick Mercer, a former chairman of the Commons homeland security subcommittee and one of the MPs on the 'death list’, said: “If they think this will change my opinions or my conduct in any way, they can think again. These sites are extremely dangerous, as the case of Choudhry has shown, and this one must be taken down immediately.”
Choudhry stabbed Mr Timms twice at one of his surgeries in Beckton, east London, in May, saying she had done so to punish him for voting for the Iraq war.
The Revolutionmuslim website claims some foreknowledge of Choudhry’s actions, saying that four days before her “operation,” she read a work entitled “The Book of Jihad” by Abi Zakaryya Al Dimashqi Al Dumyati, something not reported in any of the coverage of the case.
It is not clear whether this claim is true. However, Choudhry did directly cite “a website called revolutionmuslim” in her police interviews as one of several radical sites she looked at.
She told officers that she had been radicalised after “learning more about Islam” online. She said she had dowloaded more than a hundred hours of sermons by Anwar al-Awlaki, the terrorist cleric described by the US as the spiritual leader of three of the 9/11 hijackers. Awlaki, an American citizen living in Yemen, has been singled out by the head of MI5, Jonathan Evans, as a figure “of particular concern” to the security services.
Revolutionmuslim.com includes a number of YouTube videos of Awlaki, which can still be accessed, despite the provider promising to take them down. It also includes a video by Abdullah Azzam, the al-Qaeda spiritual leader, another figure cited as an influence by Choudhry in her police interviews.
The website claims a number of authors. It appears to be strongly influenced by supporters of the British Muslim extremist Anjem Choudary, formerly a senior figure in the now banned Al-Muhajiroun and Islam4UK groups. It carries a number of press releases and video clips from Choudary and also includes a video of Abu Izzadeen, another British extremist linked to Choudary, emerging from prison.
Islam4UK earned notoreity when it proposed to demonstrate against the ceremonies held in Wootton Basset, Wiltshire, to honour service personnel killed in Afghanistan, though the demonstrations never took place. Revolutionmuslim recently publicised a flag-burning ceremony to be attended by Choudary – which also apparently never happened – outside the US embassy in London on the ninth anniversary of September 11.
One of the site’s alleged authors, a 20-year-old American from Virginia, Zachary Chesser, was arrested in July and charged with providing material support to a Somali-based al-Qaeda terrorist group. Chesser, an alleged follower of al-Awlaki, was reported to have written a post on the site threatening the creators of the American cartoon series, South Park, with death for including a caricature of Mohammed in one episode.
Revolutionmuslim’s writers – all operating under aliases – include at least three people who state on their online profiles that they are British. Three of the profiles link to websites closely connected to Choudary and his allies, including the banned cleric Omar Bakri Mohammed. Revolutionmuslim.com advertises an “Islamic revival conference” due to take place later this month in East London with speakers including Choudary, Izzadeen and, by telephone from Lebanon, Bakri Mohammed.
The website appears to be hosted by a service provider called Enom, based in Bellevue in the US state of Washington. Calls to the company were not answered.
Choudary could not be reached for comment. Contacted by The Daily Telegraph, Izzadeen denied involvement in the site but said it was a product of the “awakening” of Muslims. He did not endorse the site’s call for killings of MPs but refused to condemn it, saying: “I’m not a condemner of anything. People have their own views. We’ll just wait and see if anything happens.”
"There are three sorts of conspiracy: by the people who complain, by the people who write, by the people who take action. There is nothing to fear from the first group, the two others are more dangerous; but the police have to be part of all three,"
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Paul Rigby Wrote:Just in case the great unwashed got the strong smell of a spook rodent at large - alleged radicaliser Anwar al-Awlaki is, of course, a good friend of Langley and the Pentacon - the defenders of the British realm have taken a great piss in the urinal that is Vikram Dodd:
Quote:Roshonara Choudhry: I wanted to die … I wanted to be a martyr
Exclusive: Transcripts obtained by the Guardian of police interviews with Roshonara Choudhry, jailed for trying to kill Labour MP Stephen Timms, reveal extremist cleric's influence
• Read the transcripts of Roshonara Choudhry's police interview
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/nov/04...a-choudhry
Late on in the above, Timms is quoted: "It is puzzling and alarming that she seems to have reached the conclusion by spending time on some website."
Not puzzling, Stephen, simply unbelievable.
Curious that. After watching 100 hours of videos of Anwar al-Awlaki's bile and bullshit, he wants to go out and kill a government minister.
Denzel Washington's '04 film "Manchurian Candidate" also had mind control "candidates" being bombarded with video nastiness - eyes forced open by the use of surgical equipment - as an integral part of the process.
So yes, I can see where you're going Paul.
Mind you, if I watched 100 hours of Anwar al-Awlaki videotapes, I'd want to kill myself not others.....  hot:
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge. Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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A crude, reductive view of how things work, but one not without interest.
"There are three sorts of conspiracy: by the people who complain, by the people who write, by the people who take action. There is nothing to fear from the first group, the two others are more dangerous; but the police have to be part of all three,"
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