Eric Cantona: Kill the banks-France activists to withdraw all money on Dec 7th

[Peter Lemkin]

I completely understand where you're both coming from, honest.

But for me personally, the potential suffering and bloodshed of the innocent that would result is too terrible to contemplate to warrant assisting chaos along its shadow Via Reggia.

I always prefer to suggest more moderate and progressive ways forward and I don't think these are impossible either - but yes, they are more fraught with difficulties.

But the base point has to be that no one wants to suffer another Hitler, Stalin or Robespierre and, in the final analysis, we should be smart enough to have learned from history rather than simply repeat it.

Understood, but the anger level is at boiling point for more and more, and for each person it is also a matter of what they have or lack. You have a nest-egg and [I presume] secure home [and happy you do and only envious I don't]. I've just about nothing [in fact I'm fighting anew to not have my tiny bank account and just-about-nothing personal property seized - a last ditch battle engaged as I write; the greater part of what I once had all stolen long ago in USSA]; but either way I'll never again really have notin' but my wits and my dog - if I'm lucky a computer....so have little left to loose.... :motz:

I'll bet those in USA [and elsewhere] who were robbed of their jobs, rights, homes, health, loved ones, land, dignity, sovereignty, and savings [often all the above] would not be put off by the idea of creating chaos with the system that abandoned them, and let the cow chips fall where they may. :bandit:

The Hitlers and Stalin's are out there waiting as we speak.....and that is what we'll get in short order if we do nothing or not enough or not fast enough...so I say take the risk! Yes, try the least likely damaging steps first; but keep trying new ones and FAST, until the whole system is stopped....and before it destroys us, what little rights/freedoms we have, and all life, in fact.

"There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part; you can't even passively take part, and you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop. And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!" - Mario Savio 1964, Berkeley, CA [just after the JFK Assassination - not a coincidence, IMO]

[Peter Presland]

This thread is a superb illustration of the bind we're in.

I concluded a good few years ago that the system (by that I mean globalised capitalism funded and oiled by fractional reserve banking and it's foot-soldiers) is incapable of evolving (or being evolved) into something sustainable and non-parasitical (by which I mean Uber-wealth for a miniscule fraction of humanity and dependent upon gross exploitation of both a vast untermensch and finite natural resources).

As the thread demonstrates, the bankers - and by that I mean the dynastic interests that control the Central/World Banks, IMF and the Big few - really do call the shots. Pretty well everyone with ANY assets has a keen interest in THEIR bank not going puff. The Banks know it and they milk it for all it is worth

I don't know the answer but sure as hell it does not lie in privatising profit and socialising losses which is what those banks have succeeded in bringing about. IMO they deserve a bloody good hiding, but hell will freeze over before our supine/corrupt puppet politicians give it to them. And to rub salt into a raw open wound, all bar none of them are about to declare record bonus payments on the back of record "profits". The gross arrogant stupidity of such a system really is breathtaking. I fear for what it all portends because a lot of people are finally waking up to all this.

[David Guyatt]

Understood, but the anger level is at boiling point for more and more, and for each person it is also a matter of what they have or lack. You have a nest-egg and [I presume] secure home [and happy you do and only envious I don't]. I've just about nothing [in fact I'm fighting anew to not have my tiny bank account and just-about-nothing property seized - a last ditch battle engaged as I write; the greater part of what I once had all stolen long ago in USSA]; but either way I'll never again really have notin' but my wits and my dog - if I'm lucky a computer....so have little left to loose.... :motz:

Fortune or, indeed, misfortune, is not what is driving me on this, but rather one of a few possible future outcomes of what could easily happen when the great puffed-up Shadow finally bursts --- or is burst --- and the recognition of all that pent-up anger and frustration finally being unleashed and seeking a place to boil and vent.

When we look back in history, all the great Revolutions - Russian and French for example, have been covertly orchestrated by shadowy forces to usher in changes they desired.

All I'm saying is that I'm not content to become an unwitting pawn in such vile machinations and, therefore, prefer other more gradual outcomes where I retain some element of control.

Or to mangle the old Chinese proverb that it is better to inflict a thousand small cuts rather than one big deadly one. But beware, this is not to be confused with Confucius pondering the wisdom of giving wife grand piano when he could giver her upright organ instead?

[Jan Klimkowski]

Magda - the speaker in the video is Eric Cantona (not Catona), a maverick genius of a footballer, and a noted cod (seagull) philosopher.

On being abused by a fan back in 1995, Man Utd star Cantona notoriously leapt into the crowd and kung fu-kicked the guy. The incident prompted his most famous (till now) quotation about trawlers, seagulls and sardines:

In the following season, Cantona continued his impressive form as United looked to win a third successive league title, but on 25 January 1995 he was involved in an incident which attracted headlines and controversy worldwide. In an away match against Crystal Palace, Cantona was sent off by the referee for a vengeful kick on Palace defender Richard Shaw after Shaw had pulled his shirt. As he was walking towards the tunnel, he launched a 'kung-fu' style kick into the crowd, directed at Crystal Palace fan Matthew Simmons, followed by a series of punches.[12] The infamous photograph of the moment Cantona's foot connected with Simmons, was used with permission on the front cover of Ash's single "Kung Fu". The front cover alone generated publicity in the British rock press, which helped the band get a hit single when it charted at number 57 in the same year.

Simmons was later tried for threatening language and behaviour. He received a seven-day prison sentence, but was released the next day.[13] It was also revealed that Simmons had previous criminal convictions, including an attempted violent robbery in 1992 where he had attacked a Sri Lankan petrol station worker with a spanner in Croydon, and that he had attended a National Front rally a short time before the Selhurst Park incident.[13] His conviction and sentence also resulted in a £500 fine as well as a one-year ban from all football grounds in England and Wales.[14]

At a press conference called later, Cantona gave what is perhaps his most famous quotation. Perhaps referring to how journalists would constantly monitor his behaviour, Cantona said, in a slow and deliberate manner: "When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much."[7] He then got up from his seat and left, leaving many of the assembled crowd bemused. He was sentenced to 120 hours of community service after an appeal court overturned a two-week prison sentence for assault.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Cantona

Cantona has always had passion and strong personal views. I admire and respect his comments but agree that he doesn't understand the real consequences of such a mass action.

As David says, a mass withdrawal of cash by ordinary customers would cause a collapse of the financial system.

Even those who took their money out on December 6 would probably end up impoverished as not only would the ATMs stop working, but currencies themselves would end up as essentially worthless.

However, as we're all currently getting hooked up to the electro-shock machines by the bankers, I'm not averse as David to the idea of a cataclysmic event.

I have no idea what would emerge...

[David Guyatt]

When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much."

Only to be compared with:

A day without sunshine is like, you know, night.

Or:

I owe a lot to my parents, especially my mother and father.

Both probably uttered by David Beckham? But the truth of it is that Cantona's is in a class of its own and deserves a special award.

[Magda Hassan]

There is a reason why the non academic kids are encouraged to do sports.....

[David Healy]

When the seagulls follow the trawler,
...

Or:

[quote]I owe a lot to my parents, especially my mother and father.

Both probably uttered by David Beckham? ...m

Yogi Berra's priceless wisdom. I think.

[Jan Klimkowski]

The delivery of the line is perfect.

The delivery of the kick was pretty good too...