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Peter Presland Wrote:Military staffer knew about attacks: report
Quote:A Swedish Armed Forces (Försvarsmakten) employee warned an acquaintance to stay clear of an area in central Stockholm on Saturday where, several hours later, two explosions went off in what is being called a terrorist attack.
“If you can, avoid Drottninggatan today. A lot can happen there…just so you know,” the message said, according to the TT news agency.
Armed Forces spokesperson Jonas Svensson told TT on Sunday he was unaware of the message.
“I haven’t heard about this at all. Now I’m going to check out the information,” he told TT when confronted with the news.
Later the Swedish military said it was now “preparing how the issue will be dealt with”.
“The Swedish Armed Forces did not know ahead of time about the plans or the circumstances surrounding the events which have taken place. If that had been the case, (Swedish security service) Säpo, which is the responsible agency in these types of cases, would have been informed immediately,” said military spokesperson Erik Lagersten in a statement.
Swedish intelligence agencies may have known that something was in the works, Wilhelm Agrell, a professor in intelligence analysis, told TT.
Shades of 7/7 and the warning Netanyahu got prior to the bombs going off to tell him to stay in his hotel room.
This stinks.
It does seem to be particularly curious timing regarding the Assange extradition hearings doesn't it.
And as Keith importantly notes, no one hurt, no real damage done.
Again...
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Peter Presland Wrote:Military staffer knew about attacks: report
Quote:A Swedish Armed Forces (Försvarsmakten) employee warned an acquaintance to stay clear of an area in central Stockholm on Saturday where, several hours later, two explosions went off in what is being called a terrorist attack.
“If you can, avoid Drottninggatan today. A lot can happen there…just so you know,” the message said, according to the TT news agency.
Armed Forces spokesperson Jonas Svensson told TT on Sunday he was unaware of the message.
“I haven’t heard about this at all. Now I’m going to check out the information,” he told TT when confronted with the news.
Later the Swedish military said it was now “preparing how the issue will be dealt with”.
“The Swedish Armed Forces did not know ahead of time about the plans or the circumstances surrounding the events which have taken place. If that had been the case, (Swedish security service) Säpo, which is the responsible agency in these types of cases, would have been informed immediately,” said military spokesperson Erik Lagersten in a statement.
Swedish intelligence agencies may have known that something was in the works, Wilhelm Agrell, a professor in intelligence analysis, told TT.
OK class. Our new word to learn in English today is 'provocation'. Can you spell P-R-O-V-O-C-A-T-I-O-N?!!! Repeat after me...... ecruity:
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"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
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It seems someone owned Taimour Abdulwahab al-Abdaly.
The Luton Islamic Centre challenged his "extremist" views through theological debate several times. After a few days, al-Abdaly would come back with the same, or very similar, "extremist" message.
Given British intelligence surveillance of mosques and islamic centres, he had to be on the radar of the spooks.
Al-Abdaly may have been a genuine angry young man, intent on launching his own jihad.
There are other possiblities, as the material already in this thread suggest.
It's entirely plausible that al-Abdaly was either a witting agent provocateur sent to besmirch the reputation of the Luton Islamic Centre.
Alternately, it's also possible that al-Abdaly's "radical" controllers were in fact (British, American or Israeli) inteligence. In which case, one wonders whether this "suicice bomber" really had control of the red button, or whether even that was controlled by his handlers.
Quote:Stockholm suicide bomber confronted by Luton mosque leaders
Taimour Abdulwahab al-Abdaly had been challenged by leaders of Luton Islamic centre over extremist views
Sam Jones and Haroon Siddique guardian.co.uk, Monday 13 December 2010 17.37 GMT
The suicide bomber who struck in Stockholm on Saturday stormed out of a British mosque where he worshipped after being confronted over his extremism, it emerged today
Taimour Abdulwahab al-Abdaly, who set off a car bomb in the Swedish capital before killing himself with a second device strapped to his body, attended the Luton Islamic centre where the mosque's leaders expressed concern about his views.
Abdaly was a student at the University of Bedfordshire in Luton between 2001 and 2004 and continued to live in the town after graduating. Qadeer Baksh, chairman of Luton Islamic centre, said Abdaly showed up at the mosque during Ramadan in 2006 or 2007 and made an instant impression with his "very bubbly character" but they soon clashed over his views.
"We were challenging his philosophical attitude to jihad," said Baksh. "He got so angry that he left. He was just supporting and propagating these incorrect foundations [of Islam], so I stepped in."
He said Abdaly believed scholars of Islam were "in the pocket of the government" and proposed a "physical jihad".
Baksh said he thought he had talked Abdaly round to a more moderate position but the Iraqi-born Swede then came back with more arguments. "I had no idea it would escalate to where it escalated," said Abdaly. "I thought that when he stormed off he was just angry at me. I heard afterwards that he was criticising the mosque in general and me in particular at the university. He said we were working for the British government and that we were in the pocket of Saudi Arabia. He was trying to defame our honour."
Despite the clashes, Baksh said it was not for him to report Abdaly to the police or security services. "It's the police's job, the intelligence service's job to follow these people up, not ours," he said. "You can't just inform on any Muslim having extreme views. In the past many Muslims have had extreme views but have become good balance Muslims."
The Islamic centre's secretary, Farasat Latif, said if they feared a person could be a potential terrorist "any Muslim in his right mind" would report him.
Police continued to search a terraced house in Luton today as part of the investigation. Abdaly's wife and three children reportedly live in Luton, and neighbours said they last saw him two and a half weeks ago.
Police obtained access to the property yesterday with a warrant issued under the Terrorism Act 2000. Whitehall officials have confirmed the bomber's identity; Swedish police say they are 98% certain Abdaly was the culprit.
The Swedish newspaper Expressen reported that the country's security service believe the bomb went off accidentally and Abdaly had planned to detonate three devices, including one at the main railway station and another at a large department store. It said he had planned to blow up his car but also had 12 pipe bombs strapped to his body, and a bomb in a rucksack.
Abdaly has been hailed as a martyr on the Islamist website al-Hanin. A photomontage on the site suggests he was a member of an al-Qaida-linked organisation, the Islamic State of Iraq.
In 2007, the group's leader, Abu Omar al-Baghdadi, called for reprisals in Sweden for the cartoons of the prophet Muhammad by the Swedish cartoonist Lars Vilks. In an email apparently written by Abdaly and sent to Swedish the news agency TT shortly before the explosions he condemned Sweden's' "stupid support for the pig Vilks".
Abdaly's father was quoted by Expressen as saying he had lost contact with his son. "He did not say where he was going," he told the newspaper. "The whole family is in shock, and wants to find out what happened."
Tahir Hussain, 33, a taxi driver who lives near to the Luton house being searched, said he used to exchange greetings with Abdaly. "He had only been here about a year. I used to chat to him a bit: say good morning, good afternoon," said Hussain. "He seemed like a very nice person. I never thought he'd be like this."
He said he would see Abdaly with his three children in the garden. "His wife used to cover her face, and he wore a djellaba," Hussain said. "You could tell he was religious."
Faisal Ahmed, 24, a restauranteur who lives on the same street as Abdaly, said: "The [Abdaly] family is very gentle; the news is a big shock. I hope it's not true, it's really unbelievable."
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Anyway, the connection to Luton is very convenient, isn't it? All doubts and inquieries are blown away in the newspapers and "the four Luton bombers" are presented all over again...
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Christer Forslund Wrote:Anyway, the connection to Luton is very convenient, isn't it? All doubts and inquieries are blown away in the newspapers and "the four Luton bombers" are presented all over again...
Luton must be close to Dante's inner-most level of Hades! Yes, easy on the Swedes, easy on the Brits, easy on everyone....if you want to recycle a lie, why not recycle one that no one in the MSM refuted...and all the gullible Sheeple swallowed. Did Christer Petersson [pasty of CIA, BOFORS, and Norrmalm Polis] ever go to Luton?!:questionmark: (pssst....ask Oliver North...or Bush Sr....they know....]
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Quote:Did Christer Petersson [pasty of CIA, BOFORS, and Norrmalm Polis] ever go to Luton?!:questionmark:
That was before Luton was à la mode...
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As first reported (with pictures) the bomber had six bombs of a very simple self-made manufacture - only one exploded and killed him. The bombs were suposedly meant to connected, but were not connected, loose wires, some loose nails, etc. Not very professional at all.
Suddenly security experts claim that all this was "well-planned".
And this evening we learn that FBI will help to investigate the bomb(s)!
They will assist with seven experts!
FBI themselves offered the help to the Swedish police.
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14-12-2010, 08:59 AM
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Christer Forslund Wrote:Quote:Did Christer Petersson [pasty of CIA, BOFORS, and Norrmalm Polis] ever go to Luton?!:questionmark:
That was before Luton was à la mode...
Granted. I meant 'Luton' in the generic sense......Petersson was a local drunk and petty criminal and I'm not aware he traveled far and wide....but someone was setting him up, as they set up the last 'bomber' - at some 'Luton' in Sverige. Pettersson's death is also VERY suspicious!!!
On September 29, 2004 Pettersson died at the Karolinska University Hospital after he supposedly fell and suffered a cerebral haemorrhage. He had been in a coma since September 16, 2004 when he underwent emergency surgery for unspecified head injuries. Pettersson had reported being harassed by the police on September 15, the day before he was found with head injuries, with unsubstantiated rumors circulating that he was a victim of police violence. Pettersson was buried in his hometown Sollentuna in January 2005.
Shortly before Pettersson was taken to hospital, he had contacted the son of Olof Palme, Mårten Palme, explaining he had something to tell the family. Palme said he was willing to meet Pettersson if he was ready to confess to the murder. But the meeting did not take place, and what Pettersson had to tell was never revealed.
[Just in case you think there are not Deep Political Forces at work in sweet little 'ol Sverige!]
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