Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again.

[Helen Reyes]

Mike Rivero is linking to this.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/05/16/...e-aborted/

Unconfirmed: Bin Laden Mission Aborted, American Deaths from Helicopter Crash

"EYEWITNESS" INTERVIEW SAYS AMERICANS DIED, MISSION UNSUCCESSFUL
"We saw the helicopter burning, we saw the dead bodies, then everything was removed and now there is nothing"
By Gordon Duff, Senior Editor

A Pakistan news agency reports that the bin Laden raid on Abbottabad was aborted because of a helicopter crash which killed several passengers, believed to be Pashtu speaking Americans.

Though this is from a news agency, it is an eyewitness account and unconfirmed. Veterans Today has received this story from several sources but most recently from our comments section. Thanks!

If this story is true, it would be a disaster for the Obama presidency, deeply paralleling the unsuccessful hostage rescue attempt in Iran during the Carter presidency.

If the story is true, our heartfelt sympathies for the families of those who may have died in this operation. As described below, the mission depicts real heroism and, despite political concerns and the usual finger pointing, represents, of all the stories told, something Americans can be proud of.

True or not, there is a unpleasant ring of reality in this story that is lacking in all others, a reality proven out by the helicopter wreckage found at the scene.


YouTube - Veterans Today -

Full And Complete Translation Of The Pakistani News Video I Posted About Osama bin Laden

This is a translation of the video linked at the bottom and was translated by my friend Khan Taashk. THANK YOU my dear friend. I wish there were a way for ALL Americans to read this translation.

Anchor: Welcome back, Mohammad Bashir is a resident of Abboottabad's Bilal Town. Muhammad Bashir might seem an ordinary guy but he is no ordinary guy. Muhammad Bashir lives in front of Osama Ben Laden's house in Bilal Town Abbottabad. On 2nd of May, Muhammad Bashir was present on his rooftop from where he saw the whole American operation against Osama Ben Laden with his own eyes. Yesterday when our team was present In Bilal Town, Abbottabad, near Osama Ben Laden's hose, Muhammad Bashir came to us and said, "Sister, I need to tell you something, something that is a burden on my heart and soul", just listen to what he said.

Bashir: I am going to share something about the Abbottabad operation which till this day nobody else has told you.

Anchor: But Muhammad Bashir was a little afraid too, while talking to me he telephoned hia reletive, Vice President of Jummat-e-Islami, Abdur Razzaq Abasi, watch it

Reporter: Tell me your name and tell me whare do you live

Bashir: Let me first, Let me talk to him one minute, i will give you full interview, full or half?

Reporter: Full Full

Bashir: Let me first talk to him

Reporter: To whom? To Abbasi?

Bashir: yes, to Abbasi

Anchor: Muhammad Bashir told us something that no one said before. So we checked his identity card, we also confirmed that he really lives there, we asked from the senior fellows about him. We were very astonished by his story just see and listen what he said.

Bashir: We were awake, not asleep, a helicopter came, some men came down from that, into that house, then that helicopter went away

Reporter: How many men?

Bashir: 10-12, then that helicopter took rounds of those rear hills, then he came bac…k and when he came bach, two more helicopters arrived, one from the west and other from the north, there was a blast in the first helicopter and it was on fire, we immediately came out, when we reached there, the helicopter was burning, then after about 20 minutes the army and police arrived, they pushed us back, now we are asking that if oama was here then who took him to america because all those men that came in the helicopter died in the blast, now if Osama was in that helicopter he must have died and got burnt in that helicopter too, then how they took him? this is a question of serious concern. America claims they they killed him and picked him up. How they picked him up? This is what we are thinking

Reporter: Was there only one helicopter?

Bashir? Yes the other that came flew away to Mansehra, there was only one that landed the men and came back to pick them but as he was picking them up, it blew away and caught fire.

Reporter: Then were in it when it blew?

Bashir: Yes They were.

Reporter : How you know?

Bashir: We saw it with our own eyes

Reporter: You saw dead man?

Bashir: Yes, dead men,

Reporter: How many?

Bashir: I couldnt count them because then the compound was on fire. The gate was open, we went in, the army and police hadnt arrived then, there were some people but they werent stopping them. The whole neighborhood has seen that but they are silent now.

Bashir: We saw the helicopter burning, we saw the dead bodies, then everything was removed and now there is nothing

Reporter: How many dead bodies you saw?

Bashir: We couldn't count them because they were blown into pieces.

The reporter asked Bashir to narrate the story again.

Bashir said we could see the faces of those men but they were speaking pashto. I dont know whether they were Pakistani or American army or people of agencies, as you know that agency people can speak many languages.

May be they were speaking Pashto so that we consider them Pakistani.

They knocked and banged at our doors and told us not to come out.

I laid down on my rooftop and was watching them.

My kids were calling me, I told them to go to their rooms and let me check whats going on.

The reporter asks Bashir, that when he saw that the helicopter was American what was he thinking then?

Bashir said that he got afraid. He didn't had in his mind that they will attack that house. He thought that they might have come to attack the Pakistan Army.

The reporter asked so when was your cousin Shamraiz taken away?

Bashir: Shamrez was at our home, as the helicopter exploded, me and many others went out of our homes to see what happened. Shamrez also came out and the gate of the compound was open, we went in, every thing was lying scattered, as it is a huge compound, some body parts were lying here, some there, legs, arms, heads, broken and torn body parts, during that time some part of the helicopter inside, may be the engine or other fuel related part had an explosion so we rushed out. During that time Shamrez was taken away, he is in his home now, but no one is allowed to meet him and i couldn't get a chance to talk to him later.

Then the anchor says that they had vegetations inside the compound and Shamrez was their gardener. We know that two men Arshad and Tariq used to live there. They had good relations with the neighbours, they used to buy things from the local store. Sometimes imported dates and used to send many things to their neighbours.

Then the reporter is at Abdullah Ben Zubair Mosque, which is the nearest to compound of Osama.

She asks a guy: do you think people would have been glad and happy if they would have ever met osama?

The guy : Yes, possibly. Because he was a muslim and he believed in God.

This is the whole story! Every aspect and point translated.

The gentleman being interviewed lives across from the compound. His cousin Sahab Jamrez Khan used to grow vegetables in the compound. He was taken away in all the hullabaloo on tape @10.29 Bashir says he did not see when they wisked his cousin away.

Interviewer asks "Have you spoken to your cousin?"

Bashir "No, I have not seen him yet he in in the house. "They will not let him get out" "They will not let me get in."

2 other men Arshad Sahib and Tariq Sahib used to go to market to shop for that compound and bought international brand items. Dates, dried meat found in compound. Also food used to come from compound to Bashir's house Kabulu Pilau and things like that used to be presented to Bashir. They will follow up with more information. In the end the lady is standing in front of Abdullah Bin Zubair mosque. The mosque was with in walking distance of the compound. She asks people if Osama did attend this mosque people would have be happy? The one answered maybe. The other said Osama did "not" live here but he was muslim and believed in God. Interview ends.

Another thing to note is that Bashir mentioned that we are very "sharif" meaning law abiding honest people. His town was a peaceful place no excitement no murders, fights, and he is unhappy how they have made his town so frightful with all this news. One thing is very clear in this video. Two helicopters hovered never landed. One landed dropped Pashto speaking poeple on the roof 10-12 of them Helicopter left fo 20 minutes returned to load people in and small blast engine failure fire helicopter parts all over. Body parts arms, legs, head, all over. Pakistani Army/Police came in dispersed crowd. The whole scene is cleaned up totally now. No evidence left to examine.

Link to original Pakistani News video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0vo-L3V...r_embedded

[Ed Jewett]

I just tried to go to "WhatReallyHappened" and encountered yet another problem suggestive of external tampering or some such thing. It and other sites (like Chris Floyd's Empire Burlesque) are frequently under DDOS or malware attacks suggesting that what they are saying is at least critically annoying if not accurate.

[Peter Lemkin]

The Ongoing bin Laden Saga: Can Americans Be Unplugged?

by Dr. Paul Craig Roberts

Global Research, May 16, 2011

"The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system, and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it."

The ever-changing, ever-growing bin Laden story becomes ever more preposterous. The cowardly bin Laden is now the vain bin Laden, the terror mastermind who has nothing to do but to sit and watch videos of himself.

Washington released a video of an alleged bin Laden indulging in self-admiration, but there is no sound. Why? Was the video made without sound? Did Washington delete the audio? The video seems to show the alleged bin Laden speaking to someone in the room. Is the voice not bin Laden's? Is the alleged bin Laden referring to the image on the screen in the third person, as not himself? Why would bin Laden have a video made of himself watching videos of himself? Why is a video of bin Laden watching bin Laden a headline story? Is it meant to substitute for the absence of a corpse?

As one reader put it, "The government is playing with us, experimenting to see if there is any tall tale we won't believe."

The story keeps changing as to whether "bin Laden's compound," no longer a million dollar luxury mansion, had Internet and communications or relied on couriers. The latest installment is that bin Laden was online. Washington says that the raid delivered into its hands bin Laden's emails and diary, which, Washington claims, show an active bin Laden directing his terror network to carry out more plots. If bin Laden was online, why did Obama have to find him by trailing a courier?

Somehow the SEALs grabbed bin Laden's diary and emails, but left all sorts of other documents that allegedly have fallen into Pakistani hands. These left-behind documents now serve as a pretext for more disputes with Pakistan and another excuse for ignoring Pakistan's protests about the military operations the US carries out in Pakistan, violating the sovereignty of the country.

Why would the SEALs leave behind so many precious documents? First they kill for no reason the mastermind who could have revealed the world of terror; then they depart, leaving terror records behind. Some will say that this is typical US government incompetence. So how did such an incompetent government find bin Laden?

Any documents left behind were most likely carried in by the SEALs as plants. Has anyone independent of Washington examined the alleged bin Laden diary and confirmed that it was in bin Laden's handwriting? These kind of questions are the kind the media, back when we had one, used to ask.

The bin Laden story is now such a fable with so many contradictory bits that people can pick and choose to suit the telling. Time magazine likes it all, except the part about an all-powerful bin Laden, still in control, rejecting an underling's proposal "to fit a tractor with rotating blades to use to mow down the enemies of Allah.'" Time prefers a bin Laden who was unsettled by his realization that he had lost his "historic significance" prior to losing his life to the US Navy SEALs.

If bin Laden had lost his significance, why did Obama get such a boost in the polls from his claim that he found bin Laden and had him killed?

The American Empire cannot do without bin Laden. The next installment of the fable will be that bin Laden escaped, leaving behind a double, and is abroad carrying out more terror plots.

As the fable continues, try to rescue from the Memory Hole the fact that we were presented with a death without a corpse and that Washington has no explanation for why an unarmed, undefended, frail man, who was a font of terrorist information, was murdered and not captured.

[Peter Lemkin]

That story, above, about eyewitnesses that saw the only one escape helicopter explode and then dead and body parts needs to be verified...this whole 'caper' needs an international investigation - not a sham U.S. one. This opens up all kinds of new possibilities [and of course, itself, could be a false-flag story]. But if there is any truth to it, it would go a long way to explaining why some things were left at the 'OBL' compound and why there is no body to display. This obviously will 'play' on for years...like 911 and Dallas. :popworm: The problem is that Pakistani intelligence and military is no more trustworthy than America intelligence and military. They each have some mutual and some separate reasons to lie about what actually happened. If there are real witnesses, one can expect them to be silenced by many means....including mysterious deaths......

From the very beginning, it seemed quite obvious with some of the very, VERY strange parts of the [ever changing] story, that the real truth of what happened and to whom was not likely to come out; unless forced out.

As an aside, it really starts to look like only the weather report on the news, these days, is not fabricated, synthetic, false news-speak.

[Helen Reyes]

I just tried to go to "WhatReallyHappened" and encountered yet another problem suggestive of external tampering or some such thing. It and other sites (like Chris Floyd's Empire Burlesque) are frequently under DDOS or malware attacks suggesting that what they are saying is at least critically annoying if not accurate.

It seemed significant to me as well that WRH got DDOSed heavily starting about an half hour before the White House released the latest bin Laden fable. Usually the site does draw some minor DDOS because of the strident anti-Israel tone of some of the links and headlines.

Regarding the long translated transcript of the Pakistani television interview above, my feeling is it complements my earlier hunches about, excuse the phrase, What Really Happened. I'm going to guess someone affiliated with the CIA Taliban in Pakistan project was targeted for assassination by an American strike force who spoke Pashtun, and who did all perish when the original helicopter came to pick them up. Snatching victory out of defeat, Obama told a whopper sufficient to excuse in the minds of some a violation of Pakistan's sovereignty well away from the drone attack zone on the Afghan frontier. I'm going to further guess that this presages major operations inside Pakistan with the complicity of a small group of CIA loyalists in the power structure who have all the assurances etc. for the limited nature of the incursions and their continued usefullness as allies, but who will be disappointed with those assurances at the same time there is pressure growing on their other flank to recognize a de facto state of war with the United States and NATO exists.

This is all speculation and not worth a thing at this point. Events will show whether it was accurate at all.

[Jan Klimkowski]

Regarding the long translated transcript of the Pakistani television interview above, my feeling is it complements my earlier hunches about, excuse the phrase, What Really Happened. I'm going to guess someone affiliated with the CIA Taliban in Pakistan project was targeted for assassination by an American strike force who spoke Pashtun, and who did all perish when the original helicopter came to pick them up. Snatching victory out of defeat, Obama told a whopper sufficient to excuse in the minds of some a violation of Pakistan's sovereignty well away from the drone attack zone on the Afghan frontier. I'm going to further guess that this presages major operations inside Pakistan with the complicity of a small group of CIA loyalists in the power structure who have all the assurances etc. for the limited nature of the incursions and their continued usefullness as allies, but who will be disappointed with those assurances at the same time there is pressure growing on their other flank to recognize a de facto state of war with the United States and NATO exists.

This is all speculation and not worth a thing at this point. Events will show whether it was accurate at all.

Helen - I agree that your hypothesis is speculative. However, it is also informed by a deep political reading of much of the available "evidence", which has been deliberately spun, distorted, retracted, reissued, and - to coin a phrase - deliberately red herringed by PsyOp Central.

I still suspect that:

i) there was some sort of raid on a safe house in Abbottobad, involving an advanced - possibly Stealth - helicopter;

ii) that helicopter crash landed and was abandoned at the scene;

iii) since the safe house was so close to a major Pakistani miltary and intelligence hub, its existence must have been known to both ISI and US intelligence;

iv) the occupants of the safe house are, at this time, unknowable with any certainty;

v) PsyOp Central went into overdrive after the event, and the script - the Official Narrative - has broken down, catastrophically, on numerous occasions and is now totally non-credible.

In my judgement, point v) is crucial.

If this was simply the Chosen Time for the US President to announce the Death of "Terrorist Mastermind" and Bogeyman-In-Chief Osama Bin Laden, then I would expect the Official Narrative to have been scripted and honed to perfection.

Instead, that Official Narrative has collapsed again and again.

One implication of this is that the US military-multinational-intelligence-complex was not in control of events.

Helen - for me, this adds to the plausibility of your hypothesis in which this was not a raid on Bin Laden, but alternately a Special Forces operation around a very important US (or ISI) asset.

So, speculatively, there may have been a US intelligence/PMC agent provocateur military cell ensconced in the safe house, who were engaged in false flag actions to ratchet up the "War on Terror". Perhaps an ISI faction rumbled their presence in the Abbottobad safe house, decided to arrest them, and sparked a US Special Forces operation to attempt to protect and extract their assets. The Bin Laden nonsense then becomes a PsyOp Central attempt to cover up this illegal and botched mission.

Or, speculatively, there may have been a key ISI Al Qaeda/Taliban liaison in the safe house, and this was an American raid to capture that person because of his knowledge of covert US sponsorship of Al Qaeda/Taliban.

Or some variant of the above.

Whatever, the Obama Got Osama Tale now looks as likely as Big John Wayne loking into the sun without squinting....

[Charles Drago]

I know, therefore I am.

Helen - I agree that your hypothesis is speculative. However, it is also informed by a deep political reading of much of the available "evidence", which has been deliberately spun, distorted, retracted, reissued, and - to coin a phrase - deliberately red herringed by PsyOp Central.

Spin, distortion, retraction, multi-iterations ... oh me oh my, I guess we can never know what happened here ... or anywhere ...

Uncertainty is our greatest vulnerability insofar as it inhibits correction of our "mysteriously" malfunctioning system.

And like the "perfect failure" that was the Bay of Pigs operation, the "imperfect 'success'" of the bin Laden charade keeps us paralyzed with doubt.

v) PsyOp Central went into overdrive after the event, and the script - the Official Narrative - has broken down, catastrophically, on numerous occasions and is now totally non-credible.

Or was the breakdown designed into the original scenario in order to foster endless speculation and support the "we can never really know" control mechanism?

If this was simply the Chosen Time for the US President to announce the Death of "Terrorist Mastermind" and Bogeyman-In-Chief Osama Bin Laden, then I would expect the Official Narrative to have been scripted and honed to perfection.

Perhaps it was. Scripted and executed to perfection, that is.

Instead, that Official Narrative has broken down again and again.

Perhaps it hasn't.

One implication of this is that the US military-multinational-intelligence-complex was not in control of events.

A higher authority, then? Utilizing another tool?

Whatever, the Obama Got Osama Tale now looks as likely as Big John Wayne loking into the sun without squinting....

This we can know ... to the degree of metaphysical certitude.

[Jan Klimkowski]

Charlie - so you are proposing that, at the metaphysical level, the Sponsors want to infantilize us into a state where uncertainty rules and true knowledge of events is considered impossible?

There is shadow under this red rock
(Come in under the shadow of this red rock),
And I will show you something different from either
Your shadow at morning striding behind you
Or your shadow at evening rising to meet you;
I will show you fear in a handful of dust.

[Charles Drago]

I'm not sure.

[Ed Jewett]

Wit aside, the exchange above is why I hang around here. Y'all ought to have your very own talk show, podcast, or something.